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Dalai Lama
Nov 092010

This will be the last post of the year. We are working flat out to take advantage of the buying season (in a nice way) and then are going to take a break for a week or two to enjoy Christmas together and with the Dogs, my Mum, the EVIL Cat and the chickens may even be spared being eaten too. We did keep two large batches of chickens for eating and the trauma of all the gore and death is not to be repeated any time soon.

Um, yeah, Internet stuff not Murder.

The last post of the year so everyone can knuckle down and get to work.

Of course we can still all chat in the comments section, I still need my daily fix!

I kind of wanted to cover a few thoughts and also how I see the future in terms of making money with websites and blogs. I also want to motivate if I can, so lets’ see what happens:

Small sites are going to be worth nothing. Go big Dudes and Dudesses.

I personally think that this is going to be the case in the future.

I think know that this game is getting a lot harder and I am in no doubt that every month more and more emphasis is given to the large stores and sites that have a lot of age and authority. Every day it seems peeps here, in forums, and elsewhere are seeing their small sited drop out altogether or get overtaken by the usual big boys.

I think I have said in the comments before that I really believe that the exact match domains that we all aim for to get a boost in the serps may well be a thing o f the past in the future. I am sure that as algo’s get better they are not going to give such a boost to such things.

If you think about it then it does make sense. Internet marketing gets more competitive all the time and google wants to give the searcher the best results. There is no way that an affiliate site with 2 pages but an exact match domain is better in position number 1 than Amazon or another big player.

I would at least think about that and adjust your content. But for me big is always better, luckily the Wife does not agree. A  few words on keywords before I continue about the theme of sites size and the future of this very tough business we all struggle with on a (hopefully) daily basis.

Re-Evaluate Your Keywords

With the new auto suggest and the fact that search results show up as you type I have been taking a new look at some keywords. What may show up in a keyword tool as the most popular term or the least popular may not actually reflect what is shown up as you type a query in to Google. I may have targeted one term only to find that the drop down list of what other terms there are are slightly different to what I thought were the most searched for.

Change your post titles, or add in h2 to the content or even write another post.

Focus on short terms for larger earnings.

I used to target a lot of long tail keywords with longtails after the main terms. Now I think going for the terms with the longtail before the main target is the better approach. If people see results as they type then they are going to stop typing. Is this here to stay? Who knows, but it is here now. I am actually finding that a number of search results that I get traffic for are short term queries that stop half way through.

You may have been getting traffic for cheap white socks but now you may even get traffic for cheap white soc, if you were ranking well for the short term. Obviously we can only get backlinks for terms that make sense, but take a look at what you are getting traffic for. Are there less longtails on the end of the main term, or has your traffic simply dropped as you only ranked for the longtail?

It all means that, and I am sure this is both the intention of Google, and the future of search, that everyone needs to take a long hard look at the sites they make and the terms they target. They keyword competition is going to get tougher as a result and there is no doubt that a lot more preference is going to go to the large authority sites that can rank for a smaller target term. The fact is that less and less peeps are going to be typing in those crazy longtails, instead they are going to be clicking on the suggestions in the drop down box as they type in their query, and many are short.

I have begun to adapt and go for the shorter targets and I can honestly say that it brings in more sales and more traffic. Sure, the competition is tougher but it weeds out the serious sites from the small ones. Forget your micro niche sites and go for something large.

The Future Of Internet Marketing

If I were a search engine I would discount any site from the search results that did not have at least ten pages of content plus a contact and privacy post. But really I would be looking for a large site that gets referenced a lot in its target areas.

I would do away with any boost for exact match domains and instead place emphasis on the number of links to the site as a whole and the number of links to each page of content. I would place a lot of emphasis on age and the number of people that visit it from a lot of different sources.

If I could think of a way to give better results that were not based so much on backlinks I would also try to implement that.

Who knows what the future of the serps will look like, for now backlinks are king, but in the future who knows. What I do know is that anyone relying on small sites built around a number of wordpress or html templates that are known to be associated with sniper style marketing is going to get a wake up call if they have not already. I know a number of readers here have literally had over 100 sites go in an instant as they used well known themes and strategies of exact match domain and a page or two of content.

It just ain’t going to cut it very soon.

Build A Very Broad Niche Site

If you are interested in a niche and know that it converts well then why not just build a whopper to encompass it all. Luckily for the most part it is our approach and has been from the start. Rather than making a site based around white socks for men, or even white socks, the site would be based around socks in general.

There is more chance of failing for certain sub-niches and keywords but the possibilities to expand are limitless. Let’s say instead we had gone for 100 sites all around different sock keywords. How many would be duds? A shed load.

But if we fail for all those keywords on a single site what have we got?

A site that has a ton of backlinks to it for all the content and a few real winners when it comes to keywords. Plus we have our own keywords research tool. Our stats. We uncover a ton of great keywords that we got without even knowing that they existed.

Our other option would have been spending a fortune on a ton of domain names. Spending time installing WordPress or whatever and plugins. Getting a theme and a header and then praying that the exact match domain will carry some weight.

Then we have to write the content, get backlinks and see if the keyword converts.

If we instead put it all on one site the results will be just as good long term, and I am in no doubt a hell of a lot better. A super authority site will have been slowly born. One that can eventually be number 1 for socks as well  s any variation we care to thing about. We can have Japanese style socks, pink socks, white socks, best price……………..

And on it goes. If you were a search engine who would you rather put at the number 1 spot?

This is nothing new, lots of people have been saying it for a long time, but I know that many are still not thinking seriously about this. 10 pages on a site is not a big site. That is a days work. It should  be the beginning. Go for a general domain name and build it in to a beastie. Leo talks about building large sites rather than small niche sites. And although I can’t get in to the social side of it he is spot on in terms of thinking big and being the site that everyone knows about, and although he is a lot more involved in the clever stuff than I will ever be it is very good advice. Large sites are simply less likely to fall and will be more recognized as the place to be.

Focus Exclusively On One Site

For the last few months I have been doing a lot of backlinking to a single site. It performs horribly for most of the year but for the months leading up to Christmas it does very well. In fact I made it last October and made $2k before Chrimbo with it. Then in the new year the sales simply went. Luckily I had the buying season knowledge behind me so I knew it would perform this year.

I have spent a lot of days doing 6 hours of backlinks to this one site. And adding a little bit of content too. Sure, it is still getting the Google dance now and then for some pages. It was ranking number two for a super popular item yesterday and now I am gone baby, but I will be back in a few days. Never worry about these things just get on with the work. Backlinks wins in the long run, you may just have to wait it out is all. And keep your ear to the ground for new items in your niche. We have been doing some experimenting and if you can get a keyword rich post up before an item is even released you get a very long term boost in terms of ranking. The early bird and all that.

The beauty of working almost exclusively on a single site is that you get in to the zone. Your writing becomes more fluid and you can blast out Build My Rank articles in a few minutes each.  If you have not signed up yet then get on the waiting list, it is worth its weight in gold. I would not be surprised if they jack the price right up too, it is the best network out there bar none. Jumping all over the place like a demented Puppy on Meth is the worst way to get your earnings ups. But concentrate on one site and go for it and you will make a lot more money without the hassle factor.

The beauty of these large general niches sites is that it does not matter if one small niche within it does not work. You will have done all those backlinks to build up the site authority and when you skip to the next item or topic then you have a boost right away. You keep going until you see what converts.

It is the future and I hope you are ready for building sites like this.

Hone In On Pages That Earn

When you work on a largish site like I have been doing the beauty of it all is that you uncover some items or keywords that earn like a dream. You may have written a shed load of content and done backlinks for stuff that does not work or convert but it is not wasted work.

You are then making it easier to rank for the items that do convert.

And when you find the one that works and converts then you go to town, on the content, not to buy shoes.

You can look at the related terms in Google search, use the wonder wheel, and don’t forget to type the product in to Amazon if they have it. As you type you will see the drop down box of what related terms people also searched for.

You can then add all those lovely juicy keywords to your content.

You can change the post title if one keyword performs better than another.

And then you backlink all of those terms, focusing mostly on the main term. There is absolutely no reason why you could not spend a week, heck a year, backlinking and honing a couple of posts and work on no other content. What would you rather do, try to keep on top of updating 100 domains or having a single site or two or three to work on and build in to a beast?

For me it is a no brainer. But I also know that most people are still focused on having a gazillion sites all in different niches. Fair enough you have to find a good niche but once you do then don’t go looking for anything else. Get in the zone and build it in to something amazing.

Focus on it and work on the pages that do the best. Tweak, test the layout, and never stop.

I am now in no doubt that working hard on a few pieces of content  is the way to make a more long term income and one that is less likely to disappear with the latest algo update. If you are basing your earnings on the keywords in your domain name then I think that at some point you are in for a wake up call.

Who knows when but I think it will happen.

It is simply getting out of hand. For my main niche for Christmas I see day after day new sites popping up with crazy longtail domain names just to get in on some sales short term for Christmas. They are on page 1 for a week or so then drop back as I overtake them. Search engines are going to get wise to this and it is going to happen at some point.

I certainly wouldn’t want to base my online income on the name of the domain. I would want to base it on having a few large sites where every single article on it gets at least 10 links and then I focus on the best earners. You may find that you send hundreds of links to a single article, but if that is what it takes then do it. Me and the Wife have literally worked 8 hours a day for weeks on single pieces of content. This is what it takes, not a couple of links and then you move on because it makes no money.

Since we took that attitude the reality of how much you can really earn becomes apparent. Sending 400 or even more article directory backlinks to a single page should be the start of your work, not the end. I really want you to think about that, proper work for your content means an awful lot of money. I can’t spend what we earn and I can’t tell you how good that feels after so many years with no money.But it takes real work and real commitment, not messing about with a backlink here and there, it just simply will not cut it.

Most people simply do not have this kind of staying power and simply give up. Those that realize that the work pays off and are willing to put in the hours and the effort and do what it takes to rank number 1 are those that will make good money online.

We have a ton of fun here in the comments and I hope it stays that way.

But I do feel sad that I know that some people reading my make money with blogs effort  will not be here in a few months. They will simply give up and go back to working for the Man. Urghh. Anyone can make decent money online, it is just about being realistic.

If you have spent months working on a site and it simply does not make sales or rank then move on for a bit. Age works wonders for the ease of ranking, work on something different. But don’t give up because it is hard to rank. Give up if you get traffic and it does not convert.

I have tons of sites I spent an age on and they get a few hundred peeps a day to them and never make  a sale. Lesson learned. It is the game we are in. But any site that makes money I work on properly. Not an odd backlink, but real work. You just keep backlinking until you are number 1. And then you still keep doing it.

If you do that for a nice large site you will make money. If the site makes a few dollars a day it is all just about scaling up the operation.

Don’t be one of the people who no longer comes here to chat as it is too hard. Yes it is difficult but now is the time to get in on a niche and build it in to a large earner in a years time. In five years if you do not already have a decent site it is going to be impossible to get going in this game, I am sure of it. The big boys already rule, think what will happen in five years, make sure that you are one of them. Things are so different online to just the 2 years ago when I came here to try to feed me and the Wife and not have here leave me for months to work in the UK. It is almost impossible to find a niche that is not being chased by the hordes. It will get harder every year if you do not get your foot in the proverbial door now and build the foundation for a future online.

If you have read this then why not leave a comment with your thoughts. I do often wonder where everyone comes from who reads this site, it has not been what I expected at all. And it would be great to hear fro you if you have not commented before.

Let’s have a chat until the new year and then I will be back with a killer post about some old rubbish that really could be summed up with:

“Write keyword rich post titles and content and backlink it until you are number 1”

All the rest is just filler.

This forum post sums it up perfectly. This is not rocket science. Don’t over think it. JUST DO IT.

ta ta for now.

  447 Responses to “Internet Marketing Success Guide”

  1. Nice post Dave. I am currently working on my first big site, trying to incorporate hundreds of keywords that are related. The bonus is that I am involved in it every day, as is everyone.

    I want to start another couple of ‘big’ sites that will be in something else I enjoy so hopefully some of them will pan out.

    If you don’t post again (seen that before), have a nice christmas 🙂

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Colin Young,

    You calling me a liar? 😉

    I am going to try to not post any new articles until the new year and really knuckle down to my work. We can chat in the comments though.

    Good luck with the biggies Colin, I am sure they will work out great. And a velly melly clistmas to yu tu.

    Man, that was only one glass of Cava too.

  2. How many posts you do a day to BMR? I try to get in 10 a day 7 days a week. Hard to do more than that and write new content too. Sure is easier to write 150 words than 300 though.

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    I am usually between 20 and 30 plus postrunners, bit of blog commenting, bit of content etc.

  3. Nice post. I must say I love focusing on one site, it’s a lot less stressful.

    I like this:

    “And keep your ear to the ground for new items in your niche”
    – I’ve just been thinking recently about adding a small news section to my site with short posts about some of the latest products. This is a product-heavy niche with new stuff coming out all time, and I couldn’t begin to cover everything, but just a handful of posts like that each week could lead to some extra sales & clicks, since these product names should be relatively uncompetitive at that stage. I think it’s worth trying, anyhow!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It really is. There is definitely a boost if yo get in there first. And if you get content up before a product is even released and the hordes go for it, well, it can be lucrative to say the least.

  4. I think that you have hit it on the head why I am not making the money I want from my sites. I jump around way too much. I get excited about a site, work on it for a week or two and then wonder why it’s not making money in the next few months with only sending a link here or there to it. I think that I definitely need to sell some of my sites and my domains (that are sitting empty right now) and choose a handful of them that I can work on and have the best potential. Sometimes it’s just so hard b/c I get these bright ideas for these sites and don’t ever see them through long enough… so my resolution (yes, I know it’s not the New Year yet) is to concentrate on one or two sites at a time and get them ranking #1 and then move on to another site.

    I have 3 supersites (over 100 keywords chosen) right now and I am thinking these may be my major focus come the new year. Right now, like you, I am focusing on a Christmas based site that will also get traffic all year long but once Dec 26 comes, my focus lies with my super sites. I don’t want to be one of those people who won’t be joining you in 2011 b/c I gave up.

    Thanks for the inspirational and insightful post! (oh and Merry Christmas!)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Merry Christmas. It really does make a difference just going for it with a couple of sites, or even pages on them.

    I also find it hard to resist getting super carried away with a brilliant idea (aren’t they all) then moving on to the next thing.

    I don’t think I will buy a single domain next year, just up my stuff that I have to higher levels.

    It sounds like you will be here next year Tiffany, and doing very well too.

  5. Thanks for the post Dave. It sums up what you keep telling us, and we all need to hear it again, and again. It has really started to sink in for me.

    Looking at google at the moment it is completely dominated by the big boys, but almost to the extent that content doesn’t seem to matter. A few words on a big site and you are up in the top ten.

    Hopefully some day they will get it right, so I am trying for a big site, with decent content. I have set a goal of just making posts on my sites to get it to a reasonable size and do some backlinking. Then when things settle down, and I see where these keywords are, I am going to backlink them like you have said.

    I don’t backlink enough I know that. I am doing this for a couple of sites that have disappeared. Just hope they come back one day else it is all for nothing.

    You are right there is no magic formula. Just a shame the formula that works can make your brain go numb.

    Have a great Christmas(you and your wife) and I think you can guarantee yourselves a prosperous new year.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    If you keep adding a little bit of content and backlink a site then it will come back eventually as long as nothing drastic has been going on.

    And yeah, it does make your brain go numb. I am looking forward to a nice bit of relaxing near to Chrimbo. You have a great one too and enjoy yourself.

    Wouldn’t it be great if this time next year everyone posted that they had met their goals for the year? I am gonna work hard to reach mine and once I do I am going part time.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:


    Thanks Dave, I am really going to apply myself. If I don’t, nobody is going to do it for me.

    Also when you tell us your story it shows the truth of “do what others wont for a year, so you can do what others can’t for the rest of your life”, or something like that.

    I do hope that I will making a full time living from this by the end of next year.

  6. I haven’t commented before so I thought I would accept your invitation to comment for the first time. First thing I want to say is thank you for the great posts! They really are inspiring and do give me that kick I need to get working and stop procrastinating.

    I recently got warned by Google for having Adsense on my small sites and that warning came after I’d recently decided not to have small, crappy sites like that any more. I am going for real authority sites now and not even worrying about exact match domains. In the little experience I’ve had with that so far, it definitely seems to be worth working on backlinking individual pages on the sites and putting out quality content. I had to take Adsense off a lot of my really crappy sites so in a sense feel like I’m starting completely from scratch.

    I’m so frustrated that I don’t have time to really do much in time for Christmas, so I’m doing some Hubs based on what I’ve seen you writing here. I feel like at least doing something is better than nothing!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Ruth – Web Career Girl,

    Nice of you to comment, it is always appreciated. Never too late to get some Christmas money with Hubs. Just take the backlinking cautiously.

    That is a shame about the adsense but it may actually work out better for you in the long run if You have fewer sites to work on.

    BMR and Postrunner can give very good serps results with hubs in a week or two, I would really go for it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ruth - Web Career Girl Reply:

    @Dave, Thanks Dave, looks like BMR have closed their doors but I will try Postrunner. I definitely want to be cautious with the backlinks, so hard to know exactly what will raise the red flag with Hubpages.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Ruth – Web Career Girl,

    I have been using BMR no problem with Hubs and Postrunner is fine as well. I think they will only knock a Hub out if you send them automated article directory links or forum profiles.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Ruth – Web Career Girl, I recently took adsense of my small rubbish sites.

    Never had a warning about it, though. That’s weird, considering I make around 500 bucks monthly with adsense.

    Why do you suppose you got the warning and I’ve somehow avoided it?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ruth - Web Career Girl Reply:

    @Blackthorne, I feel as though it just depends which sites Google happens to come across. My content was not nearly as bad as some other of those types of sites – I wrote it myself and it was useful – but I guess the typical crappy theme raised the flag (that and the fact there were only 5 pages).

  7. It is nice to know that I am not the only person who suffers from Website A.D.D.
    With regards to creating a mega site, I have a couple of ideas that I would like to work on. This is something that I will hopefully start on in the new year.
    Thanks for all the helpful advice you have provided over this past year.
    Fingers crossed, I will be one of those that will be commenting on this site 12 months from now.
    Good luck with your Christmas earnings – though you is the big cheese – so you don’t need luck innit! 🙂
    Ciao for now. Or should that be adios hijo!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I KNOW you will be earning well this time next year. Your earnings go up every month and that will only get better.

    I am small fry though, just doing the usual, PPC is where it is at but I is too scared innit.

    Adios hija.

  8. Website ADD here too 🙁 I mostly have Adsense information sites, which all got decimated with the May and June algo changes. So I switched over to exact match Amazon product sites, which of course just got trashed as well. But what I discovered while I was ignoring my old sites was that Google was collecting all those backlinks I’d been sending out (and continued to do so sporadically), and many of the sites have risen in the rankings again. Lesson learned (I hope!).

    Thanks for another inspiring post, Dave.

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    That is great of they are coming back. I would pick some of the better performing ones and turn them in to big sites trying to find more related keywords and really go to town on them.

    Maybe it should be WADD?

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Dave, Hah, at first glance I read that as WWDD – What Would Dave Do? Hmm…I hear there’s good money in starting your own religion!

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:



    Send me $100 a month and I will tell you how you too can get a blog that gets loads of comments but no traffic from Google.

    I will also throw in a T-Shirt with my Naruto graphics that is at the bottom right.

    One size fits all.

    Roll up, roll up.

  9. Hey Dave,

    Man, you are really inspirational 🙂

    Regarding working so hard one site / one post – isn’t there a limit of how many links you can build per month so that you don’t have problems? In the case of an aged site, I suppose it depends on how many links you already have…but what would you recommend for a site below 3 months old? What max number of links to build per month?

    And how about balance of links. If you have a 100 pages site with 10-30 links per post, isn’t there an issue if you start to build hundreds of links to one specific post?


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    There is no exact figure bit I would say it depends on the quality of the links. You could send 500 article directory links to a post no probs, even 50 profile links but the key is to not overdo it with high pr links.

    I would just start of doing a couple a day to a page and see what happens. But we have to realize that popular articles online may well get thousands of links in a day.

    But there is a sandbox issue, super slow and steady will lessen that risk but either way just keep backlinking at it will work out long term.

  10. Dave has been the best thing that has happened to me in my internet marketing career. Around June or so he changed my life. Things are so much better for me following his advice and this post, I think, is 100% dead on. I have been building five large sites since then…and added two sites recently for Christmas. But those sites will be builtd out also because they have both been shown to be winners. I just need Google to stop messing with me. LOL.

    There is no doubt in my mind that the size of the site is going to be huge in rankings down the road…and it might be coming soon. What is interesting about building larger general sites is that you can literally go after so many good keyword phrases, and although they will not all do well for sales, they help you in other areas.

    I have to say something else about keyword research that Dave and some of you might disagree with, but it has helped me a lot in the last week that I have had it. There is a program called Market Samurai that I am sure most of you have heard of. This program has opened my eyes more than anything except for Dave himself.

    My main problem was that I was targeting keyword phrases that were NEVER going to do much for me, and if I got high in the rankings I was happy….but disappointed with no sales. It has only been ONE week but Market Samurai has already paid for itself (even though I am in the trial period because I will buy it).

    I want to give a little example: I have a larger site I am working on. It is based on a popular home appliance. Last week I started using Market Samurai and found one keyword phrase using it I had NO idea about. I then checked what is called the SEOV (stands for SEO Value). They use a certain formula to figure out what that keyword phrase would mean to you if you had the number one spot in Google for that phrase. I am not saying it is perfect but it helps.

    What was interesting to me was that it lead to another keyword phrase that was making me sales…I just did not realize it was as valuable as it was. I would have worked this keyword phrase much harder if I had realized this earlier. Anyway, back to the new phrase I found.

    This phrase was estimated to bring the number one site on Google about $597 a day. It is not exact science obviously but it gives you an idea. I then used Market Samurai to check the top 10 sites for this keyword phrase in Google. This program does it so fast and easy. It checks about seven different things that we KNOW TODAY make a big difference. To my amazement the top 10 sites were not that difficult to beat.

    So I took that keyword phrase and put up an article around it last week. In about four days I was on the first page of Google in the six spot. Yesterday I made three sales of this product from that post….and the product cost $800 so the commission was decent (for me at least). Market Samurai made finding this keyword phrase and checking it out sooooooooooooo EASY!!! Tools like this are NOT needed to succeed…but gosh can they sure make things faster and easier.

    The same goes for BMR, Backlink Philippines, and other tools that speed up the process or allow you to focus on other things that need to be done. Good tools really help in this business. Use them.

    Wow. Long post…sorry.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Hey man long comments are cool.

    That is a great comment and those results are great. I bet you are well chuffed. A few of those and you would be raking it in every day.

    I guess I really need to take a look at Market Samurai. I am always a bot (very) slow to get on board with any of the tools out there.

    Thanks for the great comments and the inspiration Todd.

  11. I’ll certainly be here commenting in a year, Lord willing and the creek don’t rise.

    As usual, very good advice in the post and from some of the best commenters I see on many blogs … people who actually read the article before they commented? Refreshing 😉

    A tip that’s been touched on here before and also a bit in this current post. It’s surprising to me that most of us here are living and dying by Google, yet we don’t often heed what Google is screaming at us from the sidelines.

    Example. On one of my better sites I just took a moment to look at the last 200 keywords that Google (and a few from Yahoo) delivered to me today. More than 20 of those asked about cost of living (this site talks about living overseas in the Philippines) and at least 20 more asked about gas prices specifically.

    Now I don’t care tha much about gas prices here, and I certainly wasn’t planning to provide cost of living updates today, but guess what?

    Google just told me what to write about … so much for writer’s blog and the “what do I work on next” question.

    Merry Christmas, a happy and Joyous Holiday season to all, and to all, go find out what Google wants you to write about.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Dave Starr,

    Great advice as usual there. This is the great thing about a larger site, your stats will tell you what to maximize potential wise.

    And yes, it is refreshing that people here actually add value in the comments, often better than my posts in many cases.

    I have learned loads from all the cool comments, long may it continue.

    Have a great Christmas Dave.

  12. Well you better write about it Dave! I love that blog of yours! Hopefully I can join you, Bob, and the rest of the expats I know that are living over there. God, would that make me so happy.

    A good holiday season to you and everyone else here that has made this blog a must read.

  13. Next year I really plan on building up some of my smaller sites and making them huge authority sites – I’ve already started doing this on a few of them but recently I went over to see how many sites I actually have and here is some rough figures:

    Over 500 hubs (through a few different accounts)
    Over 100 squid lenses
    Over 100 self hosted sites (some wordpress, some static)
    Over 1000 ezinearticles (yeah I know – how crazy)

    And who knows what else since I started many different blogger blogs and other web 2.0 blog sites over the years. (that’s over four or so years though)

    So, yes Internet Marketer ADD is alive and well 😉

    I still do ok though even with my smaller sites, certainly nothing to complain about considering the small effort I put it – at least compared to a j.o.b. (shudder – that word is scary).

    I like to spend roughly a month on a few projects at a time before moving onto the next – that way I can really get a feel for whether the project will be a winner or not.

    And that’s usually 2 weeks of building up content, and 2 weeks of building backlinks.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    That is a lot of content. I think I have maybe 600 ezines, I don’t really do them any more.

    It is scary how all the content adds up, I dread to think how many articles have been written for backlinks, I think I would have a seizure if I actually checked.

    Here is to a great 2011 Tracey, I am sure it will be great for you.

  14. Don’t forget that the Google instant previews is on its way in the next few days. It won’t be used by everyone as they won’t even know it is there. But you can bet that if you have an ugly site or you have the same theme that loads of other people are using then you are going to get less visitors.


    Just another thing to worry about.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Knowing G, they probably won’t generate your preview screenshot on the fly. It’s probably already been cached at some previous point in time.

    But still… one more reason to put up many thumbnails on my site. People like to see and click pictures!!!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Exactly. If you have an adsense site and all there is is text and blue links people are going to be less likely to come to the site if they use the preview magnifying glass. Weirdly it is already on the Wifes laptop but not mine. Very odd. But site design is going to be more important, no doubt about it.

  15. Great advice as always Dave. You always hit the nail on the head and there is no BS. Thanks very muchly. In a way I am glad you (probably) won’t be writing another post here becuz I always check to see what your latest post is. Now I know its time to buckle down to work, shoulda really been doing that during these last few months then maybe, like Todd, I would be able to say what a life changing experience coming across this blog was! It has been an eye opener and you really do tell it like it is.

    Have a very Happy Christmas, you and Wifey both, goodness knows you guys truly deserve it.

    Todd – brilliant comment above mate. I’m always inspired by your progress and seems you have made tonnes. I bought Jan Roos product based on one of your comments last week and have really seen the possibilities of MS. I’ve had this for ages but always found it so complicated to use but Jan has shown how he does it and once you see that, its quite simple to follow. Your KW find was amazing, and you are probably going to follow Dave in his footsteps – well done!

    Yeah, happy christmas all and I hope we all meet our goals this time next year (or sooner would be great) 🙂


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    You have a great Christmas too. And thanks for the kind words, it really is appreciated.

    I will see you this time next year Tara and with a massive grin on your face and great earnings, just do them backlinks. A year is a very long time in this game and a lot can happen, just make sure that you DO make it happen, I believe that you can.

  16. Aside from the fact that I mainly target adsense and you go after amazon, we seem to have a similar strategy. I have for the most part given up trying to second guess what makes money and what doesn’t – I simply expand into a likely looking area and write shed loads about it, learning the subject matter as I go along. Somewhere in there I discover gems and the rest helps make me look legit and gives a boost to the gems.

    Of all the (certainly many hundreds and possibly thousands by now) articles I’ve written over the past nearly two years (looks like we started about the same time and place too (Griz)) just 5 bring in 75% of the loot and one of those is itself a diamond among that elite group. But it wouldn’t have worked if all I had done was write just those 5 articles. They’re standing on the shoulders of all the others.

    Anyway, I tried that amazon plugin you suggested that attempts to route folk to the appropriate data center and didn’t get on with it so wrote my own code that does what I want if you’re interested (it’s not a WP plugin – just a code hack). I’m not really targeting amazon just cashing in the fact that some percentage who click on the pretty pics will put in a humungus xmas order the very next day. It happened last year – people went to check out some piddly little item, didn’t buy it (bastards), then a bit later ordered a plasma telly, 2 laptops and a special edition boxed set of crap knows what – brilliant!

    Have a good one – and you really ought to start drinking a grown-up drink. Try NZ Montana Sauvignon Blanc – you can afford it now and you may never sip Cava again (unless the damage is already too far gone).

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I think I may have had that when I went to my little Sis’s wedding in NZ.

    The problem is that Spain, especially Catalunya are so proud of their own produce that you won’t find any foreign muck in the stores. They keep it real local. But the quality is high. 3 US dollars gets you a very nice bottle here.

    That is a great bit of advice to everyone Kat and what I try to get across. It takes a lot of work to find the gems but when you do all the work is worth it. A couple of great pages can give you a full time living, no doubt about it.

    And hell yeah, tell me the code. I can’t get the plugin to work. Will I be able to use it where I already have Amazon links on sites with my aff ID in? It simply changes it if they are from another country. If it does that then you would be able to sell it, I will send you a tip if it works for me, no doubt.

    Lemme at it.

  17. Damn, a good $3 bottle of wine. Last time I saw one of those, I was too young to know any better (about anything!).

    Dave, I love coming here and chatting when I need a break from the tedium of writing content. Very nice atmosphere, like having a couple of drinks in a friend’s den. Great folks, great info. I’ve noticed that we tend to be a rather chatty bunch, probably to keep the tedium of this work from driving us out where the buses don’t run.

    You and your wife have an incredible work ethic. It’s very inspiring and it has me fired up to do better in the coming year. You’re also a good writer. I think it helps in this business, even if most of the writing we do ain’t exactly Tolstoy.

    I started about when you did (because of Griz) and I’m making some nice money but it’s nowhere near what I could be making if I could just get some focus. I’m willing to work but with so many sites, I have no clue what to work on first. Thanks for all the direction you’ve given us here. Enjoy your well deserved holiday break.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It is a bit like an extended family here at times, I do like it. There are not many places to actually chat like this and share info without someone going off on one, and there have been some great tips and tricks in the comments lately. All good stuff.

    It is hard to know what sites to work on the most, I would just go with what is making the most money and have a mad run at it for a month until you burn out.

    Me and the Wife were actually talking about the writing side of it the other day. I know that we are decent writers and have an OK vocabulary when we need to and it is definitely a boon, the problem is that so much writing is just boring product posts.

    It is why I like this site so much, it allows me to write in a more natural and personal style, and about something I enjoy, which is a real rarity for me.

    What I also found interesting in the post above I wrote is that I know that those who come here actually read the content properly a lot of the time.

    What I did was put a link in the post to an article Leo wrote and a link right at the bottom to a forum. It was quite interesting to see what has happened in the day since it was published.

    Over 3 times as many people clicked on the link right at the bottom of the post as they did to the link in the middle of the content. So, either people skim read and miss it, or once people finish reading they want something else to do.

    Food for thought, especially if you have content on sites that people do actually read properly. Or even for those that skim.The odd thing is that on adsense sites I have the bottom blocks hardly ever get clicked but maybe on longer content a link at the bottom of the post is more valuable than anywhere else. Just some musings.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Dave, For me, I wanted to finish your article first because there was so much cool info in it. By the end, I had forgotten all about the Leo link, but the forum link gave me a place to go when the article was done. Hyperlinks are addictive; the more of them you click, the more you need (yes, there are studies showing this). But I could be a biased sample because like many of us here, I already know Leo’s site and have read his post.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I guess maybe the fact peeps know about Leo makes a difference, be interesting to see what happened if I change the links around.

    Oh, your BMR link on your site is all skewy dewy.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Dave, thanks, would never have noticed it if you hadn’t told me 🙂

  18. You know what’s fun?

    Marketing is moving towards mobile and guruberus such as Howie Schwartz already know this and use this.

    Here we are stamping out site after site meant for the big screen.

    Pretty soon, we’ll be converting all our tens of thousands of pages to mobile format.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    You are totally right Dude. More and more people will be using apps for stores on their mobile devices.

    And we do certainly need to make sure our content is right for the small screen.

    Me, I don’t even know the difference between an iPod and an iPhone, they all seem like they can do the same stuff to me. I do love my x-ray specs though.

    Ever see them advertised in the Beano? I really wanted a pair.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Marketing might also go completely social. Have you already heard the buzz about the death of adwords?

    Read up:


    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Feel free to shorten the URL above with tinyurl or something, since it stretches your site up a little.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Are you talking about that crappy 2007 ebook?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Craig, Never heard of it. But considering it’s from 2007, I’m guessing it was incorrect about everything?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Blackthorne, ‘The Death of Google Adwords’ It’s what comes up most prominently from searching that. It’s not so much incorrect about everything, as simply not saying anything about anything. 100% pure filler which tries to lead you in to buying another of the guy’s ebooks,

  19. Dave, send me a contact email (you have mine already) and I’ll send you what I’ve got. As per links at the bottom – yes, on good content people do actually make their way to the end and want something else to click on when they get there (you can also estimate whether anyone reads stuff by how long folk stay there – it takes a while to get through 3,000+ words). Some even go so far as to find the contact page and ask questions or just say thanks. That said, even on content that does get read, the vast majority take one look and within seconds either click on the ads at the top or retreat. So the lesson is… most visitors are ungracious, unwashed, fickle and could care less, so get ’em to click the spondulick buttons as fast as absolutely possible.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Will do.

    Yeah, people do stay here a while. But there is no doubt that a honking big ad (ahem) right at the top of the content is the best position, bar none.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Take a look at this.

    visitor time

    I can’t believe that is my best performing site. The green is less than 5 seconds on site. Not that a ton of people don’t click real quick but that goes to show what we were talking about when it comes to getting the call to action above the fold. For products people don’t want to hang around and read rubbish. They want to buy quickly. I don’t know if those stats are good or bad. Do I want them to stay and read my site? Well, no, but 5 seconds is short. But then so is the content. 300 words or so, but people don’t read for the most part, they click.

    This is why above the fold images and links are a must.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It would be interesting for everyone to know how long people stay on everyones better performing sites. Who has the best or worst visitor length. I know it depends on the niche. And for some sites, like this one, a graph like that would be horrible and worrying.

    I never usually look at things like that but it is a bit of an eye opener. I must pay more attention to these things.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Those 75% don’t necessarily click away in 5 seconds.

    The time spent by visitors on your site can only be determined if they click on other links on your site. Your stats measure the time spent between navigated-to pages.

    A large share of those 75% might very well take their sweet time to read the post on the frontpage, then click away.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Doh, I always thought the graph was for the time they entered the site and the time they left. I just ACTUALLY READ what it says on statcounter. So the graph is actually the time it takes peeps to click from one page to the next and if they don’t do that then no time is recorded?

    This is why I just writes me content and backlinks it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Yeah, that’s my understanding of it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Dave, here’s a post by the Statcounter forum moderator that explains this.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lorecee, Thanks for that, good to know.

    Vote -1 Vote +1All is well Reply:

    @Dave, I have one hub which has 94% bounce rate best performing. People are desperate to click. Make me decent money. Only 400 words articles is worth of $500. What if i have 100 those articles. I am building one site around this niche. I hope i will get 100-500 visitor per day in this time. Only 500 people can make me $50 per day. on the other hand i am dropping artilce on big site which will surely get 50k traffic per month soon.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @All is well,

    Good stuff Dude. If you find a niche like that which converts well then you are doing the right thing. Build out the content for all associated terms and you will do very well.

    I wish I had more sites that get 50K a month, I only have 2 around that level. Plus a hub that gets 1K a day, and makes bugger all, well a few dollars in adsense a day and a sale now and then.

  20. “Age works wonders for the ease of ranking”

    Very true. I have an affiliate site I built back in March. An EMD. I did a bit of backlinking, which was probably a bit too fast, as I wasn’t in the SERPs for any of my targeted keywords. The only things I was getting a trickle of traffic for were informational keywords I wasn’t targeting and couldn’t convert. So I worked on other sites and forgot all about it.

    Then a few weeks ago I happened to notice that this site was getting quite a bit of traffic (comparatively, at least). I checked it out and it was #7 on Google for the main keyword. I’d done zero work on it for months, but a few month’s age alone was enough to get it into contention. And of course since then I’ve been backlinking that mofo.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It is good advice when you feel you are banging your head against a brick wall. It is a lot easier to build out a site and let it sit and then return to it a few months later. I know a lot of people don’t have that luxury but it does make ranking easier.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, If you’re going to base your biz around this thinking, you might as well set up 10 sites, fill’em up with 30 posts of starter content, backlink’em all up with 300 links each and then just let’em sit in the cupboard like stinky cheese.

    Come back a few months later and voila… you’ve got yourself a nice bit of stinky moolah cheese.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    And that, my stinky cheese metaphor friend, is not a bad idea at all. Age is of a lot of importance. I had a site that I started some time last year, I put 20 or 30 posts on it and backlinked it but it got no traffic, at all. I returned to it some time early this year, added 20 plus more posts, backlinked it all up and it is now getting a few hundred peeps a day.

    Only problem is, yep, you guessed it, no one buys a bloody thing.


  21. One other thing I want to mention is that I think a lot of people go after keyword phrases that are NEVER going to pull in much money. I am not any type of expert, but one thing I have noticed is this…it does not do much good to rank for keyword phrases where there is NO PPC.

    I realize this is not a black and white rule, there are shades of grey but over the last nine months or so I have ranked for keyword phrases that had no PPC or only one or two spots and I got NO sales at all. I then start ranking well for keyword phrases that has a LOT of PPC on the first and second page and BINGO…sales start to happen.

    This is why Market Samurai is so good for me. It really shows you the potential of a certain keyword phrase and then shows you in depth the competition. It really is a good program and the training videos are really good also. Jan Roos is the one that put me onto it and after seeing it I could see why so many people like it. And…you get a FREE (yes really FREE) trial of this program for I think it is 10 to 14 days. Mine is running out and I will buy the program.

    What I said about keyword phrases is not a hard and fast rule as I mentioned…but there are a LOT of smart people in this business and when you rank for phrases that do NOT have much PPC that is probably a good indication that keyword phrase does not convert well…but it is something you have to pay attention to.

  22. After thinking about it for awhile and reading this post today-I have decided to let go of about 15 EMD that I have not even started on yet. I do not want to waste my time on them. I have 5 EMD currently that are actually bringing me in money every month. I would like to turn these into big authority sites, utilizing every available keyword. This will be a when I have time project!

    I have 5 more sites-only one of them is set up, but these are the ones I want to work on throughout the year.

    Thank you for this site Dave-you have (plus the comments) have offered a lot of valuable info. I still think you will post again before Christmas 🙂 There will be too many comments or someone will give you a good post idea!!

    Merry Xmas everyone!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Kelly Reply:

    I’m not trying to spam, but I forgot to add on:

    “I have 5 more sites-only one of them is set up, but these are the ones I want to work on throughout the year.”

    These 5 more sites are authority-big sites most of the KW’s are getting 200k + a month. This is really where I want to focus.

    ………..spam ya later!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Spam back at ya!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I think that may be a great idea. Especially as you already know that they are money makers. If you know you can build them up then they are sure to make more, a good decision I think Kelly.

    And thanks for the kind words. I have learned a lot from the comments too. I never wanted this site to be like all the others where everyone has to pretend they are the master of the Universe and knows the answer to everything. I just do my thang and want to share.

  23. Hey Dave,

    So you write for 8 hours a day. How do you not have arthritis? 🙂 Anyway, just curious, how many words do you average per day? (If you happen to know)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I don’t know. Um let me think about it. 7K, up to maybe 8 or 9 if I am on a roll. Hard to tell really. It all gets mixed up with lots of stuff.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JohnM Reply:


    7K+ a day? Very impressive, and that will explain your success. How many links does that translate into each day? 20 or more a day? All to one site or is that to a couple of sites?

    BTW I’m loving BMR, makes getting links easier.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    40 or 50 plus. And also I often get someone of fiverr to blast 500 or so articles with a link to directories. Plus backlinks philippines, they still work great.

    I usually won’t do more than 10 links a day to a money page if they are on high pr homepages though but you can send a lot of forum profiles.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Where do you get those 500 articles? Is that all spun crap?

    How do these fiverr guys spread’em around? Certainly not manually? Not for five bucks!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I give someone an article. They spin it and submit it with SeNuke or some such and then ping the live articles. It is all background noise though, as far as I can tell article marketing for backlinks is basically dead.

    I just don’t get any decent results any more, even with bulk submissions. A couple of postrunners seems to work better now.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, You mean SPUN article marketing I take it… not article marketing in general?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I mean article marketing full stop. Submitting to article directories seems to count for little. I am not including those that allow you to put links in post. I am referring to where you have to use an author box.

    I still do it for a varied backlink profile but the results are minimal. Even getting 500 or 600 submissions seems to give little in the way of results, for me at least.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Yeah I hear ya!

    Ezine et al are a bunch of dinosaur fossils.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Blackthorne, The backlinks may not count for much, but don’t discount EZA as a means of funnelling traffic to your money sites. You know, the original purpose of article marketing.

    Splork talks about it in his latest post – http://lostballinhighweeds.com/sewage-islands-in-the-stream/

    I’m sure everyone will agree that it’s not a bad thing to reduce one’s reliance on Google for traffic.

    EDIT: Craig I edited the link as you linked to me not to Splork. And a very good point. When I did do Ezines (over 600) the CTR was and still is about 15-20%. A good source of traffic.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    And don’t forget that you can just use spun content for Ezines as well. Saves giving them unique content.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Craig, It’s hard to imagine that a smelly article gutter such as Ezines brings decent traffic. But I have seen this myself as well. You’re right about that… but what about the trouble of backlinking your Ezines which will then rank higher than your own money site?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Craig, Oops, copy-paste fail! Thanks for fixing it Dave. I’ve never tried using spun content for EZA, that’s a good tip.

    @Blackthorne: (Sorry, the nesting seems to deep for the site to cope so I can’t reply proper-like!) I don’t really bother backlinking my ezines. Just slap them on there and let them get whatever traffic they get (which seems quite random, one article 30 views, another article 1,000 views…). Perhaps I’d do better backlinking them, but I’m too busy backlinking everything else to bother doing EZA. If the outranking is a problem for you though, then you could just ensure you don’t target the same keywords with EZA and your site.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Craig, Yes that’s true. I still find eza good for direct traffic. I have an article that still brings over a 1000 visitors a month to one of my sites. For backlinks though, they are only really good if other’s pick up your article and place it on their blogs (as long as they keep the author resource box intact).

    If I wasn’t so lazy these days I’d still be cranking out the eza’s but there are faster better ways.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, It’s about the same amount as what I do on a day where I write 40×150 = 6000 words for BMR.

    At least I’m putting in enough work. And that counts for something!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Guess how much I wrote today?

    300 words. I went and visited my Mum instead and sat in the Spanish sunshine drinking coffee.

    And relax. Aaaagh.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, You’ve earned it.

    What good is all that dough if it doesn’t buy you time?

  24. Dave, this is another great post. I am about to follow your lead and focus on my product site leading up to the last minute christmas rush. Besides the mega product site I am building I am going to be focusing ONLY on large authority sites from here on out. I had to do some soul searching and narrow down the sites i have that i really want to focus on and let go of the the smaller crappy sites i really had no desire to build out have actually taken some of the content and added to my larger site.

    so my business plan going into the new year will focus on a total of 5 sites that will build into hugh authority sites. 2 of these are informational/problem solving sites that can also be monetized with amazon.

    So I have my focus and all the goals i set will be center around these 5 sites and these 5 sites only. that will keep me from getting led away by shiny new objects. also at least one of these sites give me the freedom to explore new ideas WITHOUT starting up a whole new website.

    had to find some way to accommodate my junkie fix.

    all the best to you Dave. May you prosper and stay in great health. 🙂

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Dee@ Prayer Shawl,

    Thanks, and I wish you the best too. It sounds like a great plan and I bet you are going to see a real difference in your earnings.

    It really does help to really focus in on one site or a few, they will definitely respond well to the extra attention.

  25. hello dave have been reading your blog mostly from my mobile phone here in Nigeria,saw your site on bens forum where you talked about backlinking every article you have online. before reading your blog i was mostly lost online in regards to making money but now am more confident with my approach towards making money online with amazon.

    building an authority site is the most important thing for me to do now,well i went searching for some aged domain. i saw one that is 4 years old but as no backlinks is this of any value in terms of seo.

    Merry christmas

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Happy Christmas to you too Dude. Glad your confidence is up, just jump on in and go for it, it’s not like you can break the Internet 😉

    An aged site is always going to be a little better but with no backlinks it is not really worth the extra expense, at least that is my understanding. A 1 or 2 year old site with a history of the domain having never been dropped and some backlinks is going to be better.

    But I have never bought an aged domain and my knowledge of it is little, someone else will hopefully offer a more informed opinion.

    Thanks for dropping by and comment any time.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @kindit, Terry Kyle’s ‘Backlinks Hydra’ has a lot of info on the things you need to look for when buying an aged domain. There’s also a thread or two on http://backlinksforum.com/ with that info. It’s important to do your research so you know the PR isn’t fake, etc.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Their homepagebacklinks is now open too. I signed up today. $1 a link a month on high pr homepages has got to be worth a go. Will be interesting to see the results.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Dave, Sounds good. At that price it’s almost got to be worth it.

  26. Yo – Merry Chrimbo, mane.

    I was thinking of doing the same thing…only my blog doesn’t get 76 comments…but you know, that’s OK.

    Like usual, you read my mind, Dave. I think I’ll take your lead. I think (re: shutting down and focusing like a Death Star on Alderan … ask Lando).

    Great tips, Dave. Rank it and rake it in.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @JamestheJust on Elance,

    Mane? A typo or some cool slang all the kids are using?

    I am getting focused and honing in on the winners. I just wish I could stop ranking number 2 one day then be gone to the back of the class the next. It’s all good though.

    James I bet a month or two of no work on your blog and just on the money makers would make a big difference. It is hard to neglect our babies though but I am going to make sure no new posts here until the New Year. Be interesting to see how everyone does over Christmas.

    Have a great Christmas with the family James.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust on Elance Reply:

    Mane = hip hop vernacular, all the 35 and 37 y/o’s are doing it, mane. (It’s a phonetic spelling of the new “man,” which is an older form of the newer “dude,” if you combine the two you get something unique: Dude Mane! Cutting edge.)

    I come here to get the common sense, Dave. Thanks for doling it out. You need to rename the blog “Facepalm” since that’s what I wind up doing every post I read.

    Why didn’t I think of that?? It’s so obvious…Dang, mane.


    Yeah. I may have to post a few things to promote the new free-ebook, which is a lead magnet, btw (but not full of chum, I don’t think). Other than that, (the promo posts) nose to the grindstone.


  27. Hi Dave

    Excellent blog – this is always the first thing I check when I go online 🙂

    I have a question on how you link to Amazon:

    Say I have a fairly generic term like “leather jackets” or “buy leather jackets”. Do you link to a specific Amazon product (maybe the best selling leather jacket) or do you link to the search page listing all the leather jackets?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Hey, that is an honor.

    I would link to a general search page, maybe the bestselling search result. Even for a specific product if there are a few people selling it I would link to the search. There is then less chance of the page not being found if a seller decides to stop putting the product up or if Amazon change the page.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, I do this as well. Except I change the product links to search pages after I find a product has disappeared.

    Do you link to search pages right from start?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Only if more than one person sells it so people can see the prices. If it is just Amazon or one seller then I link direct to the product, less clicks for people before they buy but the risk of a dead page is there, although it has only happened a few times.

  28. I have a few ideas for this site in the new year. Anyone who reads this have a think about what you would like to see.

    I was thinking of maybe a page for people who offer their services for outsourcing. You can put a bit of info on what you do and your contact details.

    Also how about a page where people can say what niches they are in and want to do link exchanges?

    Just some food for thought anyway.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Dave, I’d be careful with the outsourcing. That part of the TKA forum seems full of people complaining that they’ve been scammed, even by seemingly nice people with a whole bunch of forum posts.

    If you do it then I guess just make it very clear that you’re only providing the info, and aren’t policing things.

    A link exchange section could be cool, though. No new ideas from me right now as I’m very hungover. Hit a new drunken lifetime low last night, which was interesting.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:



    Feel better now?

    Thanks for the feedback Craig, I will give the plugin another go. It seems to have a really mixed reception. Maybe I just need to install it for longer and see what happens.

    I think I will put it on a site that I am not so worried about and see what happens over the next few days.

    For the outsourcing and the link exchange it would be strictly for people who comment here. That will be the policy. I won’t be putting anyone on there that I don’t at least get a few contributions from. But yeah, a disclaimer will still apply.

    It was not my fault.

    Or something like that 😉

    My hangover cure?

    A big breakfast and some fizzy drinks. Works wonders. Or so I am told 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Dave, I almost think that a private forum would be worthwhile. I don’t know if there is a private section on BenKs forum, but I would certainly participate in something like that where I knew the audience was restricted to (relatively) trusted people and not indexed by G. I have a load of stuff I would love to share with people, but not entirely publicy.

    To reiterate, my prime concern would be ensuring people with access were essentially good.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It is a nice idea but I am not going to go down the forum route. Way too much hassle. I then have to deal with spammers, language issues, moderating etc etc.

    It is enough to deal with the site here at times, and anyway, I want the content so I feel all fuzzy. Ben does have a private forum although I never registered.

    It would be nice to have a forum though but I get the feeling it would either be a time sink or would go the other way and no one would use it. And I get the feeling I wouldn’t have a bloody clue what you were all talking about either 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Billy, Are you serious about sharing your stuff with people?

    Hit me up on msn and I’m all ears.

    I’m brewing up a handy dandy new software tool that’s going to save people motherloads of time. I just might want to give it to you in return. 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Blackthorne, very happy to share techniques/data etc. I do a LOT of automation, and I can only do so many niches (full time job). For example, today I just wrote a script to produce “Top X of Y” HTML pages, which download images, descriptions and products from amazon and put them all in an a template for you with affiliate tags, so you can just write some little reviews of them – I’ve found them pretty good to attract visitors.

    Sharing stuff like that with people less technical is no problem, as it helps others out with no risk to me and my sites. Will drop you a note sometime.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Billy, The hell you say! That’s exactly what I’m working on right now! (sorta)

    Ask Dave for my address and he will give it to you.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Steph Reply:

    @Dave, Maybe instead of a forum, you could do a password protected post, and give the password via email to people who have commented meaningfully several times.

    Then we could discuss things in the comments like now.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    So you lot all want to talk about blackhat stuff and be all sneaky?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Steph Reply:

    @Dave, I was thinking more for link exchange to avoid revealing our niches to one and all. But the whole sneaky spy aspect is fun too 🙂

  29. Well I am not nearly as knowledgeable as some of you but I am learning more and more every day and applying it to my sites…and it is helping with rankings and sales. So I would like to share this linking strategy that has helped me. I realize some of you are already using it but I guarantee you that many are not.

    A few days ago I was looking at some sites that are direct competitors of mine for a toy I am selling this Christmas season. One of the sites was on page two, near the bottom, and usually I would not have looked at that site much. It is the first page in Google that gets my attention.

    When I went to the site I started reading the content and noticed that a LOT of links went from the content to about four other pages on the site, which I think is a good idea. But what REALLY got my attention was that there were links on EACH page of the site that linked right back to the same page!!

    I thought that was really weird and honestly really stupid. I understand internal linking but I did not understand why someone would link to the same page. Oh, and the link was with the anchor text in the keyword phrase they wanted.

    Well since the site was near the bottom of the second page, and it is a CRAPPY site, I did not give it much more attention. Well low and behold the next day I looked at the top 10 sites for that keyword phrase and that “crappy” site was now at number 3 on the first page of Google!!

    Jesus!!!! I actually said words much stronger than that but I cannot say them here! It was totally shocking to me that the site jumped so high and with linking I thought was silly.

    So that night I was reading some stuff on Matt Carters blog. He was giving some really good on page SEO advice and mentioned that the smarter SEO guys were doing a LOT of internal linking (no surprise there) but what they were also doing was linking from the page they were working on with the anchor text to the EXACT same page. It actually makes the user experience sorta weird…but I guess it works.

    So jump forward to yesterday morning. That AHOLE (I say that lovingly by the way) that was in the 3rd spot, and had the weird linking that Matt was talking about, HAD to be making decent sales even with a bad bad looking site. So….I decided to do some of the same things.

    Jump forward to this morning….I make six sales of this product (which I am very happy with) last night so I check my rankings. My site is now sitting in the 6th spot on the first page of Google for my keyword phrase.

    Can I say this is because of the internal linking….NOPE, not with absolute certainty….but I have a hunch it is. It seems as though this type of internal linking is LOVED by Google!! I am not sure why because it does make things seem a little weird. A viewer of your site clicks on a link and that link takes them right back to the same page!!!! But it seems to work.

    You might want to do some experimenting yourself.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Todd, So… you’re suggesting we let posts link back to themselves?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Todd, Sounds like a typical IPK site (they teach you to do this method exactly). I bet they had the same template and big ass call to action on the top right as well. 😉

    Sometimes this method works somethings it gets penalised for being a ‘thin affiliate’ site. I should know – I’ve got a ton of them.


    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Tracey, IPK?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:


    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Yep, Info Product Killer like Wishal said. It was THE hot ebook of Christmas 2008 for learning to promote Amazon (recently relaunced to include some clickbank stuff as well). Basically it teaches you to make those little 5 or 6 page mini sites around a hot christmas product that are then linked up to a main mother site. Step by step internal linking strategies. Was pretty good back in 2008. Might be a little redundant now that G is cracking down on thin affiliate sites.


    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Reply:


    I definitely want to chime in on this and say I have noticed similar results. I have never heard of IPK, but I’ve also commented a lot about the importance of internal linking here too. Back in the day when I was focusing on AdSense, I used to slip in a lot of links towards the middle of my posts to keep away from the above the fold prime real estate and I always noticed this. I must admit, when I use Amazon I don’t really do this because I want to maximize my chances of people clicking links and going straight to Amazon – but if it minimizes my need for external backlinks then it should be a no-brainer.

    I always think about it in terms of authority. If you are becoming the big dog on the block for a set of keywords, then it only makes sense that you should be “voting” for yourself. Internal links definitely minimize the amount of external backlinks you need pointing to your own pages. I still use YARPP on most of my sites in combination with this technique, but I have always had mixed feelings about that plugin.

    My favorite thing to do is still this:

    Say I want to rank for “white socks”.

    I will go to Google and type “site:whitesockspwn.com white socks” – This way G will look at my site and show me what it thinks is the best match for the keyword white socks. What I sometimes notice is that I will get pages that come back #1 even though they have absolutely no backlinks. When I think about it, this only happens on websites that use the YARPP so that tells me that post is ranking like that just because of the internal link structure of my site to begin with. I have had some posts that I’ve blasted with my main keyword over 40 times with exact anchor texts, but yet when I go to G it tells me the post that I’ve never sent a backlink to has more authority. Why? Because the way YARRP setup my internal linking just caused all of the “super posts” hyped up on the link juice to collectively link to that one random post.

    Then I be a real ninja and find which posts G loves that are in alignment with my main keyword, then I will sticky 2-3 of them on the homepage and make sure those pages 1.) Link back to themselves 2.) link back to the homepage with the main keyword of the site.

    Sometimes if I keep throwing external backlinks at a post and it doesn’t move in rankings, I will go off and create 2-5 posts specifically intended to link just to that one stubborn, PITA post that won’t move. This is where the beauty of an authority site comes in, because you will naturally pass the authority of the site to those supporting posts which can help tremendously. I usually will always pick up a few new keywords in the process and then I just rinse and repeat all over again. I always try to make sure I create an h1 tag for the keyword I will be using as anchor text within that post also.

    Good on-page SEO like that will cut through 50% of the crap in the SERPs any day but then it all just comes down to a matter of time, age and the remaining number of backlinks.

    Hope that makes sense, it’s mainly just restating what you’ve said but me trying to give some validation to it with my own experiences.

  30. Yep, I thought it was a really strange thing to do when I saw on it on the competitors site. But this site has climbed to number three on Google and is in a keyword phrase that really makes sales of a hot item that is flying off the shelves.

    So like I said….I tried it myself and within about 24 hours my site had gone to the 6th spot.

    I cannot directly with any 100% proof say it was this but I do think it is. Matt Carter has a good post on this on his site and apparently lots of really good SEO people are doing it with really good results.

    So basically link from the POST A back to POST A! Using the anchor text you want.

    I personally think it makes the viewer experience not so good because you click on a link expecting it to take you somewhere else…and you go right to the post you were just at.

    But if it works for rankings and isn’t too much of a hassle for the visitor…then all is good.

  31. This is a link to the post and you can read the comments where some of the people have said they are using this technique with good results. Also, linking from your post in text BACK to the home page seems to work well….we know we should do this but many people do not.


  32. It is not just for thin affiliate sites….those sites are going to be gone, or many of them, soon.

    If it works for a thin site it should work for larger sites as well because you would have a lot of links from your pages and post linking back to the home page. As far as the link from a post or page right back to the same post or page…I do not see why that could not be done on larger sites.

    I have NOT built any IPK sites although I sure seem to be getting my ass kicked by many of those sites. LOL. It sure seems to work for them for at least a little bit….so there has to be something with the linking that is working…the thin part of their site is eventually getting some of them into trouble.

    It would be interesting to see just how well this worked on larger sites.

    I am going to test this and see the results I get and go from there.

  33. I want to give one example of why I think SEO is NOT just related to back links, keyword in the domain, title tags, H1, and meta description. A program that can really open your eyes to this is Market Samurai. Now before anyone gets on me about these programs I realize that NOT all links show up in any of these programs….but it gives you some what of an idea.

    There is one niche I am in. It is a very good selling niche of a hot Christmas toy this year.

    Here are some results that might surprise people.

    The site that is ranked number three behind TWO YouTube videos is a new domain.

    It has 23 links listed to the page that is ranking and 24 to the domain.
    It has the keyword in the title, url, and header but NOT the description

    So, it does not have many links showing, it does not have the keyword in the description, and it is a domain name less than a year old….yet it beats out some big sites that have far more links, way more age to the domain, and they have the keyword in the domain, title, description, and H1.

    Why is this? Well it is hard to say but there are other things that matter when it comes to website SEO!!! I can show example, after example, after example of this with Market Samurai. There are OTHER THINGS that matter and they could be things that I mentioned above.

    This site that has hundreds of LESS links to the page that is ranking, and HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF LESS links to the domain name, and does not have the keyword phrase in the description is winning (for the last two weeks) the keyword battle against some real GIANTS that seem to have this guy outgunned….but it isn’t working that way.

    And again, I have seen this studying 100’s of keyword phrases in the last 10 days or so. I really believe some of the keys to ranking are the internal linking…things like that.

    I do not have any IPK sites and have not really studied them much, but I know what they are. Even though they have some real thin sites, many of these rank really really well and it can be really hard to understand…and they seem to rank fast.

    Now if Google hates these type of sites then something they are teaching is working well….because these thin sites pop up almost everywhere high in the rankings and they move FAST a lot of the time. There linking is a lot different than I see on most sites.

    So if you think about it, a thin site with a lot of internal linking seems to get MORE than its fair share of high rankings….why would a much larger site NOT do as good with the same type of linking? I think it would.

    How hard is it to EVERY time you make a post and a page you link to the home page with the anchor text you are trying to rank the home page for and then you link back to the page you are working on with the keyword phrase anchor text for that page. That only takes about a minute to do.

    I am not saying that is the only reason these sites are doing well…I think there footer links and things like that also make a difference…but they are doing something right.

    Back links are important that is apparent….but when you see sites that have no age, have hundreds if not thousands of LESS links, and they still out rank some of the big sites with EVERYTHING apparently done right it just reinforces what I have thought for a long time….on page factors are still HUGELY important.

    You might be able to really move up in the rankings with a lot links….but start with the on page stuff first…because it is so easy to do.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:


    This plugin helps automate the internal linking. Takes some time to fill up the fields but it is a lot easier than going back and adding internal links to 5K pages…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    You are on a roll. Internal linking is important, I have written about it here somewhere. You can definitely give yourself a boost in the serps by linking from other pages on your site to the content you want to boost, no doubt about it. Same for the home page.

    I would not advise to do it on every post but I always link to the home page every 2nd or 3rd post for keywords I want, and it works very well.

    Interesting about linking to a page from the same page. I have seen it done Todd, but like you thought it seemed a little weird.

    It will be interesting to see what results people have if they take you up on this strategy, and it will be great to hear what results you have too. This also opens the debate about when you choose a theme for a wordpress site. Some themes link to the article from the title, which is basically what you are talking about Todd, and others don’t have a clickable title. So how important are h1 titles really.

    I wonder if everyone checked about this with their sites and took a look at which ones perform the best that there would be a correlation. Have a check and see. Do you have a clickable h1 title tag.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:


    I read the post by Matt a while ago, and have started to do this, I put the link at the very end of my post. What I have also started to do is write posts in related groups and link them to each other, again at the bottom of my post.

    Will see if it makes any difference, but you do read a lot about strong internal linking.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It will definitely have a positive effect. Especially if you have internal pages with PR that you can use.

    Here is one of the first posts I wrote on this site, actually the third. And it was actually Todd who was the only one to comment too. Looks like Todd was here from the beginning.


  34. Hey Todd you’ve given us a lot of food for thought especially in your last few posts.

    I too saw that post my Matt Carter a few weeks ago and thought it was strange that you would link from Post A back to Post A but I did not get around to testing this. You did and you have results to prove it works, for now. Things change so quickly and so often in this game that we can really only choose to go with what works now.


  35. Hi Dave, been a long time reader of your blog but this is my first comment. I was wondering your view on building anchor links to your money site / page then blasting them with mass article directory submissions and bookmarks eg from UAW and BMD? Or justs mass linking these Anchors in general?

    I know you can’t really do that to Hubs anymore, but all the other big article directories ans web 2.0 properties…

    I’ve been using KWA for a while, is very effective but quite time consuming when you have multiple sites / pages to catch up with backlinking…

    And one more question, do you feel like KWA would still be effective when you’re working on an authority site that already receives natural links (Not a hugh amount, but a few with every post)? Or do your think a different approach would be more effective in that case?

    Thanks for all the info in your blog, it’s was a real eye opener (Been doing a lot better since just started focusing on backlinking).

    One last thing actually, I’ve noticed BLP links have been disappearing in yahoo recently (They were showing up on my site but not any more), have you any idea why this is?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I do sometimes send a blast of links with backlinks solutions and mass directory submissions to my backlinks. Only problem is I sometimes then outrank myself 😉 Although article directories definitely seem to be losing their power.

    If you get natural links then a healthy mix of your own is only going to boost your rankings, no doubt about it.

    Have you tried build my rank? Banner at the top. It is a dream compared to postrunner and the results are better. Give it a go, you can try it for free. The speed is amazing and the serps jumps are too.

    As to Yahoo, it is less accurate every day. It simply does not show a large number of the links to sites and pages anymore. I go by what I know I have done, not what shows up there.

    And thanks for commenting Shaun, it is nice to know who is out there reading this site.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Shaun Reply:

    Yer I was going to subscribe to BMR this month once my KWA month was up, but as BMR is now closed to new users for now will stick to KWA for now. I’ve subscribed to be informed when it’s back up and running so will give it a look then.

    I couldn’t find your subscribe to comments button after each post though, was thinking maybe was because I was on a mobile earlier but still can’t see it now on the lappy? :-s

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    The comments rss is just after the social buttons at the end of every post.

    You will love BMR when they let you in.

  36. P.s. Can you add a ‘subscribe’ option to your comments please, as it would allow your readers to keep up with the convo easier. Thanks a lot.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Shaun, At the top right there are ‘Subscribe to the posts’ and ‘Subscribe to the comments’ links. Stick ’em in your RSS reader and you’re good to go!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    What Craig said. There is also a subscribe to comments button after each post if you want to subscribe to just the comments for that post.

  37. Hey Dave,

    I’m curious about one thing.

    You have mentioned you work pretty hard your sites and write lots of posts that attack the niche from different angles.
    When you get into a niche that doesn’t seem to convert – do you keep working and try different keywords? Meaning even if say most KVs don’t convert, maybe you will find some that do?

    Or you conclude that the niche is not worth the effort and move on?

    Cheers! 🙂

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    What Kindit said (except with punctuation) 😉 I have wasted so much time banging my head against the wall that now if I get to 100 visitors a day and don’t make sales or adsense on a site I am gone.

    You can simply waster too much time in niches that never convert.

    It is why a very broad niche site is best in my opinion. You can attack a never ending supply of keywords, build up the authority of the site overall, and find some killer terms.

    But, only if you know the general niche converts. Aim for a lot of different keywords and hopefully you find some goodies, but to be honest a lot of it is now gut feeling. If any site gets a lot of clicks to products but no one buys then I would ditch it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Carlo Reply:

    Thanks Dave, but please note that this comment “is not actually here”!!!! :p

    Vote -1 Vote +1Shaun Reply:

    What do you do with the sites that don’t convert, sell them on Flippa? Or hold on to them? I want to get on the whole Flippa thing, but not for now…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I have just been holding on to them. But bear in mind it is only a handful, I don’t buy a lot of domains.

  38. grizzly’s blogger blog is gone

    @carlo read the comment he said if a site or product is not converting he moves on to the next site or better still makes the non converting site number by building links and if it get and still no conversion he moves on

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Yep Grizz is gone. I hope his site returns. He saved me waving my you know what in the wind for another six months back when I started.

    This is why you should NEVER put a lot of work in to a blogger blog. I have lost two of them after putting in about a years worth of work to one of them and it made a steady $10 or $20 a day, I am only just now catching it back up from a reserve site I had bought as I was getting paranoid about using blogger.

    Use them for backlinks only and never put more than 1 or 2 links on them to your money sites. If they think the site is being used for getting backlinks they will wipe it out sooner or later.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, I guess G didn’t appreciate his last post much.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Ray Reply:

    @Dave, Griz hasn’t gone, it appears he’s just had a mishap….



    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    That should be interesting stuff, seeing exactly what he did to get the site flagged as spam. Thanks for the link, and I see it was Tracy who found his site.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Dave, Yep, you all can’t hide from me .. mwwahahaha

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:



  39. You know I read that post there about link less indexing and I have to make a comment. I have NEVER understand the issue people have with indexing. I do not get it.

    Rarely does it take more than 24 hours to get a page indexed or a site indexed. Rarely.

    Just submit a post to Digg and be done with it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Todd, You’re right. But some mofos have to go at it with blogger blogs and those sometimes don’t get indexed for weeks.

    New sites can take up to a couple of days in my opinion.

  40. It’s amazing to me how I’m drawn to information and in this case a blog that’s saying exactly what I’ve been thinking is important. I’m really glad I found your blog Dave as it’s not only informational but backs up my feelings over the last 6 months.

    I have plenty of crappy little niche blogs and they aren’t very successful and more importantly, I’m not proud of them. I like the idea of large sites with great content that I can show my wife and say, “check this out”. It sure beats a niche blog with 2 pages of content about something I don’t know much about and sure don’t care about. Thanks so much Dave for your thoughts and this blog.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Glad the site has been of some help. A big site is definitely easier to manage than a ton of small ones. Plus less risk of them all just diving one day.

    The death of exact match domain bonus is definitely around the corner, I can feel it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, It has to be.

    One day all exact domains are gone and only non-exact ones would be left.

    This would mean that everybody who buys a non-exact one would have a tougher time ranking.

    Exact match SEO bonuses make no sense and Google knows it.

    Kizurazgabi to that sh#t!

    Vote -1 Vote +1kiddlattimer Reply:


    I followed the same path Jerry, especially the crappy BANS .infos (actually did ok with them for about 3 months) but I think it was important to do, not so much for the money but I think it’s easier to figure out SEO on a bunch of small crappy websites before you move on to a big mammoth site. If I started with the big site I think I would feel too much pressure to put out content and my focus would slide away.

    Definitely agree though about the “not proud of” comment… it’s nice to point to one big fancy site when someone casually asks you what you do for a living.

  41. Ok, I have a problem and do not know how to fix this.

    I have to pages (post) on one of my websites that Google is bouncing all over the place. One day the rankings are ok, the next day they are no where to be found.

    The two pages are about two different products, and they are well optimized for each product. But I have having a difficult time getting rankings for them even though there is NOT a lot of competition for these phrases…but the search numbers are strong.

    I use two rank trackers and both of them come back as follows:

    Keyword A phrase for product A returns the page for PRODUCT B

    Keyword B phrase for product B returns the page for PRODUCT A

    And of course because of this neither are ranked nearly as high as they should. It is like Google is totally confused about these pages.

    ON EACH page there is NO exact mention of the product name, just a partial name of the product because they are from the same manufacturer.

    What do I do about this? It is very frustrating because when I hit the first page of Google for these keyword phrases….even at the bottom of the first page…I make sales.

    But now it seems as though Google is returning results that are totally mixed up.

    Any suggestions?

  42. Ok, I need to clarify a couple of things.

    These are TWO different pages.

    On EACH page there is NO exact mention of the OTHER product name, just a partial mention of the name (two words) because it comes from the same manufacturer.

    On each page the EXACT name of the product is in the URL, Title Tags, H1, H2, meta description, and on the page. All back links to each page have been with the exact keyword phrase anchor text or the exact keyword phrase as part of the anchor text.

    And yet Google keeps coming back, with low rankings, of the page NOT optimized for that keyword and giving the results for the page optimized for the keyword phrase with a page that is NOT optimized for that keyword phrase.

    Geez, time for a coffee now…or something stronger.

    Maybe that helps you understand a bit better.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:


    Sorry can’t really help, but google did a similar thing to me over a product that came in to colours. Ranked my page optimized for the blue one when you searched for it in pink, but never ranked the page optimized for pink at all. I even backlinked the pink page and it just did not show up. I could have understood if it ranked neither, both had same on page SEO.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    You are not alone buddy. Even trying to rank keywords on a 2 yr old site has sent me to purgatory, the front page, page 8, page 4 etc. It just happens sometimes.

    Here is what I guarantee.

    Just keep making backlinks to the two pages for the terms you want them to rank for………..

    And they will.

    It is just a matter of time. Weird stuff happens. A site of the Wife’s just came back yesterday after being gone for almost 6 weeks, and it was over 6 months old.

    The Internet shakes up and moves and sometimes it takes an age for posts to settle down. But steady backlinks will definitely sort it out.

    +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Todd, Sometimes when I site of mine does that, and rankings for all terms are ranked at the back of beyond, or weird pages are getting ranked for different terms, it’s because I’ve tripped a filter and been penalised (usually the thin affiliate site filter – naughty me). I can usually tell because I’ll be ranked in the top 10 for the term in Yahoo but goodness knows where on Google.

    A little trick that I do is add a handful of pages to the site with original content and NO AFFILIATE LINKS – just content. Add a few outgoing links from those pages to other sites (authority sites, articles you’ve written, some else that looks fairly legit) and wait a few days. Often that’s enough to get the site back in the game within a few days.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    That is a good tip Tracey. The Wife actually did that the other day and got some ranking back. But she did it as a page. She wrote a 1000 word page covering the main theme of the site with a look at some of the best sellers.

    But as you say, no affiliate links, she just linked to other posts on the site. It worked well on one site but not another.

    But if nothing else it is a good bit of content and a good sticky at the top navigation level for many themes. Give it a go Todd, you are also giving yourself some good internal links to tell G what those two posts are really about too.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Aw, hell no… now you’re saying we’ve gotta write aff-linkless posts?

    Dear lord. I’m just going to assume afflinks have nothing to do with it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It is like Tracey says, it may get you out of a bit of a black hole. And if you make it a kick ass post then you have great content for your site to funnel people to the money pages. Sometimes it is well worth having a large and very informative post full of pretty pictures and genuine opinions to help the viewer.

    Share the love and reap the rewards.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, My current posts are all like the one you said was great….. lots of products per post that all have something in common (below a certain price point, of a certain brand, of a certain color, of a certain theme, etc).

    All products have some textual info to go along with them.

    Those are product comparisons I’m doing. And Google approves of this because it adds value (according to their own official guidelines).

    So basically all my posts are going to be image and value rich from now on.

    No more single product pages for me. Those are plain old boring.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:


    Thanks for the tip Tracey, I am going to give this a try.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:


    I’m not Google, but I’ve seen this happen with over-optimizing and keyword density issues. If you fire up SEOQuake or something, and see what your KW density is for whatever term you’re targeting, and then compare that to your competitors on the front page – this sometimes shows you that you’re shooting for the moon while your competition is taking it easy and leveraging internal links.

    Other times, you can simply add some LSI terms 2x, like Sara from NoteworthyTips.com mentions she’s had success with – and those are found at the Wonder Wheel, or the bottom of the main SERPs page in Google.

    Hope that helps. Oh! One other thing: try to add images with LSI terms as the “Alt” text (unique or photo-shopped “unique”). This, again, from Sara at NoteworthyTips.

    She’s recorded some SERIOUS referral traffic on her sites from the image searches, even when her site was not ranking for her main terms.

    It’s a matter of:

    1) Giving Google what they want to crawl;

    2) Diversifying your traffic stream (image referrals). Good luck, Todd.

  43. Yep, thank for the tips from everyone. I am going to get to getting on this now.

    I have a bit of a funny story….not funny ha ha..but funny I want to pull my teeth out with pliers type of funny.

    I started a site in late October when I got back from the Philippines. It is a site about a hot selling toy for this Christmas season on Amazon. Well it was hot selling for awhile. I got good rankings and made sales. Then I slipped to the bottom of page one but still made sales.

    Then I slipped to page two and no more sales. So I started doing some internal linking, I guess like Tracy mentioned IPK sites do, and that brought up rankings pretty high on page one of Google.

    But NO sales in the last few days!! Amazon has raised the price of this product to $29 MORE than you can buy it from Walmart in the store and from Walmart online. It is about $17 more than about any other place I have seen it. And when you get to the keyword phrase I am after on the first page of Google there is a list with the prices of this product, one from Walmart and all of them are at LEAST $17 lower than Amazon.

    In the last two weeks Amazon has RAISED the price of this product close to $20 more than they were selling it for!! So here is my theory on this: I think Amazon has done this because this has been an item selling out in stores and online around the nation..but they have it. I have not checked closely to see if they are selling it through one of their partners and that could be the case for the price jump.

    Amazon is smart, I think they realize this item is going to be in short supply in the next few weeks so they want to sell what they have at the greatly inflated prices instead of selling their supply at the lower prices. I think they think when Christmas gets closer people are simply going to pay a much higher price for this product because they are having a hard time finding it in stock.

    I just can’t understand why the BIG increase in price compared to competitors. In fact right now, the Amazon price is about 45% HIGHER than Walmart. Needless to say, it has really made sales of this product a problem. I was making MORE sales with less clicks when it was lower priced than now. I am getting a LOT more clicks and not making sales.

    Damn it Amazon. Lower the price! I don’t need shoe money like Dave’s wife. I need Philippine travel money.

    What do you guys think is going on?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Todd, Why not become a target / walmart affiliate as well?
    Tremendous value to your readers — I have eBay, Amazon, Target, Walmart & Best Buy prices all pulled together in a neat table with the best price highlighted and users can enter their shipping code and the table adds a new row with ‘Price incl. shipping.’ The top of the post is layered like Dave says it should be (images, call to action – the whole thing) and the price comparison is in the middle somewhere.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Wishal, What are you using to do all of that – pull the prices from the relevant APIs etc. Is it something you’ve coded yourself, or an off-the-peg script?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Craig, Custom code. I used http://www.comparipress.com before that.
    I think they also let you do buy.com now, but it has been a while since I used it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Craig, For eBay you could go with WordBay as well as ZinText

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    You should count yourself lucky. Last year an item I was selling for $9 went up to $60. Made me 8K though so I won’t complain 😉 A number of other items doubled in price too, but as they were not the must have thing the sales dropped right off just like yours did Todd.

    It has happened to me already this year too, a number of items have simply gone up a lot. It is down to the fact that Amazon do not have it for sale themselves, it is third party vendors pushing the numbers as high as they can to see if they still get sales.

    If people can’t find the item anywhere else they will buy from Amazon. You should have seen the grief I got last year in the comments for the thing that went to $60. People went mental at me saying it was disgusting that I was selling it for such a high price. Even though they had to go to Amazon to see the price they still thought it was me selling it. Goes to show how little most people understand what they do online.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I would also say to keep on linking like mad and get it to rank really high. Then, or now really, use the price rise to your advantage. Get people to panic buy. Add an update to the post saying that because the so and so is so popular and soon to be out of the stock the price has gone up. Buy today to avoid missing out completely. The latest news is that the so and so is going to be impossible to find very soon so buy before the price goes up even higher.

    This has helped me to make more sales and people really don’t want to miss out on the popular items. I also probably should not tell you this but don’t forget to add in some text about that dark end of the working week that is coming up, you will get some extra longtails that way.

    The item I sold last year had so many panic buyers it was not even funny. The rare the item the more people search for it. I was getting 8000 people a day for a single post last year, wish I could find something so popular yet scarce this year. The numbers are nowhere near that for the entire site, but there is still time, a lot of things are beginning to be hard to find and that is where the money is at, no doubt.

  44. Well I was wondering if I could do that, but I guess I can. It is soooooooooo frustrating to be getting good traffic and suddenly people stop buying because the price from Amazon is so much higher.

    It would be one thing if the price was five or ten dollars higher, but $29!! Holy cow!!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Todd, On the plus side, if you’re correct about their reasons and the other retailers do sell out, you’re going to make a killing in a couple of weeks!

  45. When the number of comments reaches 200, you are required by law to do a new post.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Only if that is January 1st. I don’t think I would make sense anyway. My brain is totally frazzled. Too many postrunners and BMR’s by far of late. I can’t even remember my name anymore.


  46. I can’t believe how hard you have to work for so little in this biz.

    If I weren’t so dedicated to automating my income, I would’ve given up already!

    But I’ll never f#cking give up.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    We just outsourced a grands worth of work a month and I am still working as hard as ever. How did that happen?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, By busting your bullocks on it day in and day out, Dave.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Ha ha!
    Saw this pop up in my feeds and said to myself — that has to be Blackthorne!
    The holidays got you all grumpy mate?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, I wish the g#dd#mn holidays were here already, because that’s my ticket to booze up.

    Vote -1 Vote +1All is well Reply:

    I say you some thing. I am dropping articles on one of my website. I have targetted one keyword and this niche is huge. I mean huge scope.
    Traffic is shooting and now i am planning to develop 10 support site related. probably monetize by infolinks or adbrite.
    I was thinking to give up but when i made $5 yesterday. I understood the profit. So, It is not impossible to earn huge from one single site. You have to work either on content or backlinks. or both. I will earning huge soon. So, don’t give up. If you are developing small site of 30 pages, then drop large number of links… or make huge site for long term. Making huge site is big risk but worth of taking it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @All is well, I’ll go for the huge site. My site converts nicely, it just needs more traffic.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @All is well, Are you getting traffic from:

    1. Your exact keyword because you rank high?


    2. Related keywords because you have authority?

    Vote -1 Vote +1All is well Reply:

    @Blackthorne, I truely think, my domain don’t hve authority. It is just content and related content. Usually if i wrtie any content. I just do small research on relative keywords like. I am getting traffic from the keyword i targetted they are long tail. if i write about antivirus, i mention all popular antivirus, popular terms which is most searched like best, top, cheap etc. Also, relative content in same content will be good and for search engine will rank you high.
    Also, i am doing research very small long tail, so, that i can stick on page one forever. For some keywords which has 10k pages indexed, i have got four pages on Google index and many time i got double listing. But my most post which i targeted is on 3-5 pages and many of them not in the top ten. I need to work on backlinks that i know.
    Later i will target post which has high traffic, probably 10k to 50 k per month. I will build links or tell some one to make 100 profiles. And i will be doing profile links. Because adsense account, i don’t trust anyone.
    Yesterday only i got one blog which earn $600 per month same niche update only 10 time a month. but it has large number of category. Means 6 times more category but less content. SO, he is getting more long tails. Because of that. So, i will follow his strategy and make my blog like that.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @All is well, So in your case it are your POSTS that RANK and pull in the TRAFFIC… did I get that right?

    Vote -1 Vote +1All is well Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Yes more content will bring more traffic, if targetted in low competition.

  47. Thanks Dave and the rest for the responses, this is my first holiday season and I really want to position myself to make some dough this season. I did make some sales of this product yesterday so that made me happy!!

    I do not have to make a lot of sales to make me really happy right now, I am an infant in this game but learning fast. I just get so frustrated to see this toy rise in price…and it rose two more dollars today. But if you say that is good I believe you…and I also believe the retailers are pretty smart.

    This is a strange niche I am in as far as rankings and I think it is going to be hard to keep my rankings right now. There are sooooo many guys NOW going after the keyword phrase I am after. In the last two weeks it has been amazing to see the number of sites hit page two and page one that were not there before. Brand new sites.

    But so far I am sitting pretty good. Most of what I have done is take Dave’s advice. Guys and Gals that are not sure about what to do to make money….read this blog, read the comments, REALLY read the amazingly long Make Money with Amazon post. It has helped me so much.

    One thing I MUST say again…the internal linking does really work well. At least for now it has worked.

    Thanks again to Dave and all, whether some of you know it or not this is a SPECIAL PLACE…people helping people. I hope that as I learn more I can help someone here like I have been helped.

  48. Dave…Thanks for yet another informative post.

    What do you use to track your conversions at the keyword level?

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I don’t. I rank and see if I sell it, if I do I rank it better and keep going until numero uno. Not very scientific but I don’t want to get bogged down in stats.

  49. A poem as I am feeling ill:

    I wrote so much I felt unwell

    I wrote until I felt quite sick

    I wrote so much I could not think

    I wrote so much about so little

    I know it works

    I know it helps

    I just wish that it did not hurt

    My hands

    My back

    My brain

    My belly

    I made my money

    But I have one regret

    And it is that…………….

    I wish I actually knew what the hell I wrote!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tara Reply:


    Nice one Dave! You are good at writing which is just as well as you have to do so much of it! Actually I bet you are really hungover instead.
    Hope you get better soon 🙂

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Cheeky. I burned myself out the day before. And after 30 BMR articles in the morning yesterday I needed a lie down.

  50. Great Post and Comments here…… Really inspiring to read. Yes I would agree with most of you, days of small sites are numbered… . Yes big sites are way to go….

    Happy Thanks Giving !!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    Happy Thanks Giving?

    I’m looking forward to a Happy Black Friday 🙂

  51. Lookit that flaming corporate ID at the bottom of the site: DAVE’S BLOG. I like it.

    Dave, I’ve been trying to jam my Amazon affiliate link into a Hub link capsule, but Hubpages keeps truncating it, presumably because it’s too long. Those Amazon aff codes are long-ass links. Am I doing something wrong? I’m trying to use a search results page with a discount %, which probably makes it even longer. Thanks for any advice you can provide.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Just showing my appreciation of Naruto, although it has been a while. (I know, cryptic).

    I had probs with the link capsule too. Here is what looks nice.

    Just add a text capsule. Put your html in. Change it to a header2 and if you put it in quotes it centers it. Never had a broken link since. I am sure that that “bug” may just be a “special feature” to stop us getting the full affiliate cash.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, How are you fine folk jamming the links under the left image then?

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I use a right hand image to stop adsense and then a link above it, or two images with a link in the middle if adsense still shows up.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wifey Reply:

    @Lorecee, Don’t worry that hubpages truncates it if you put the whole thing in – it still seems to work just fine – or just use the first ahref bit and ignore the rest of amazon’s super long-winded code!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Wifey, and Dave, thanks, you’re both right, link works like a charm.

  52. I have a question that I think I know the answer to but I need some help from the people here much smarter than I am about this stuff.

    I started two sites for the holiday season. Both of them took off FAST but one one them has been slapped silly and might not be back for awhile.

    The other one is sitting pretty high up on page one of Google and making decent sales daily.

    Here is the problem. Both sites were made around ONE particular item. That item name is in the domain name and everything else to do with on page SEO.

    I think I made a mistake because I really want to put other HOT selling products on these sites that have NOTHING to do with what the site was originally about. But I think I do that I might mess up my rankings for the main items I build the sites for. I am not too worried about one of them because it is so far down in Google it might never be found.

    But the one site doing well…I do not want to take any chances.

    What would you guys do? Is it safe to add products to these sites, especially the site that is doing well, that have nothing to do with what the site was made for? What that confused the Google Algo’s? I think it would, but I would like your opinions.

    I honestly wish I had made a more generic site and added many types of products (in the broad niche sense) instead of just focusing on one product for each site.

    So tell me what you think.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    We will see what everyone has to say before I give my opinion Todd. But don’t forget other resources. Take up Tracey’s challenge http://www.tracey-edwards.com/squidoo-lens-or-hubpage-for-quick-chrissy-cash/

    That new Squid util looks cool. I may just finally make some lenses myself.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I just did 2 lenses and they look kick ass. See Tracey’s post for a tip from the fluffanutta. I did it and the lenses look bloody amazing even if I do say so myself. I can see a lot of extra money from Squidoo over the next few weeks. Knock em out in half an hour and go to town backlinking them with backlinks Philippines and BMR.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Guys, what’s the revenue share on a Squidoo lens? I thought it was 100% to the author, just like Blogger, but I just went over and read their TOS and it says 50%. It’s been so long since I’ve built any lenses that I’ve forgotten the numbers, had written them off because for a long time they were so hard to rank, but if they’re more tolerant than Hubpages of BP and other gray linking methods, then I’m going to give them another look if the revenue split is decent.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Lorecee, I think its 50% for amazon/ebay type sales, and for adsense it is based on a tiered system depending on your lens rank. I haven’t tried BP on lenses yet, but they seem very responsive to BMR.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Tracey, Squids seem like a really good way for me to pick up some eBay income since they use their own account. I’ve been trying to get into EPN for two years, so far to no avail. 🙁

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I am going to do a few this week. The interface seems a lot easier than I remembered. And if you use the squidutils for Amazon then you just give 1 click in 10 away rather than the 50 split with the direct squidoo amazon capsules.

    If they rank as easy as Hubs then I am going to do loads of them. I will see what happens over a few weeks and report back.

  53. Hi Dave – I love your blog. It is extremely informative.

    I was wondering at what point in a site’s life cycle do you start linking to your money pages with spun content? Do you wait for a period of time say, 6 months?

    I ask, because I have some sites that are about 6 months old and they have ~500 postrunner links. They bounce between 1st & 2nd pages of google to 100+ positions.

    I’m anxious to start automating some of this.

    Thanks for any advice,

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    For me a link is a link and it makes no difference. I would make sure the spun content is good though, just in case you backlink profile is ever looked at, but even that is just playing it cautious.

    I guess you are talking about BMR or something like magic article submitter? I wouldn’t worry about the age of the site really, just making sure that you build up the links gradually.

    Hope that helps.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    Thanks Dave, that is helpful.

    I’m planning to pick up MAR and do some spun submissions to article directories through Article Demon. Later on, I might pick up something like BLS.

    I do appreciate your feedback, because I’m new to the whole spinning thing. I’ll drip them out slowly.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    To be honest if I had to choose between BLS or Build My Rank I would go for the latter. A few BMR links will give you about as much weight as about 50 BLS links, although obviously they can’t be spun with BMR. Something to think about. MAR is very good though.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    Good info to know.

    I’m on the waiting list to get into BMR. It’s funny, the day that I went to sign up is the day they closed their doors.

    I really want my sites to stabilize. I think I’m going to spend some time backlinking my web 2.0 article links and maybe build some support blogs. Then I can use spun article submissions to backlink those too.

    It never ends!

  54. I have a bit of a weird question…I guess it is weird. I have not been able to conclusively find the answer to this.

    On the Amazon cookie…is the 24 hour winner of that cookie the FIRST site within that 24 hours or the LAST site within that 24 hours. Different people have different opinions on this and I have not been able to tell by going to Amazon themselves.

    Here is an example: Site A gets Ms. Johnson to click on their link taking them to Amazon. She does some looking around but wants more information.

    She then goes to site B and looks around and clicks on your link and decides to purchase something from Amazon. What site gets the credit for the sale? The first site that got the first click to Amazon from the customer or the second site that got that last click?

    The reason I ask this is I have read somewhere, and I cannot find it right now, that you want to be the LAST click. And that leads to something interesting happening on one of my sites.

    When I was ranked on the first page from five to seven I got MORE sales and higher conversion rates. When I moved to position 2 I got more clicks to Amazon but FAR lower conversion rates.

    It was like people went to my site, clicked to Amazon, looked around….and decided to do more looking and then went to another site.

    If the cookie winner goes to the last site that gets the click then you might actually NOT want to be number one or two….if the sites below you are also Amazon affiliates.

    Don’t get me wrong, I want to be really high but this seems really interesting and only because it has happened to my site and I read this somewhere before.

  55. Ok, I was doing some research on this and it is the FIRST click apparently.

    Another thing I just learned and some of you might not know it but if that FIRST click led to them adding it to their cart…but they did not buy it…if they return to buy it within 90 days you still have the sale.

    So the Add to cart (and them doing it) click gets you a 90 day cookie!!! Wow, big difference obviously.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Todd, I’m pretty sure it’s the last click. That’s standard with pretty much every affiliate program out there.

    Look at it this way: an Amazon cookie will last until the person buys stuff (‘checks out’), 24 hours have passed, or the person gets a different Amazon cookie.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Craig, Here it is from the horse’s mouth (well, from the Amazon Associate Program Operating Agreement):

    A “Session” begins when a customer clicks through a Special Link on your site to the Amazon Site and ends upon the first to occur of the following: (x) 24 hours elapses from the customer’s initial click-through; (y) the customer places an order for a Product that is not a Digital Product; or (z) the customer follows a link to the Amazon Site that is formatted with an Associate’s tag that is not assigned to you.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    That is what I assumes as well. I ponder over the ranking thing too sometimes. If you rank number 1 then do you actually sell less?

    Should we all just try to rank in the middle.

    Nah. Because chances are Amazon will then be beating you in the rankings. If you can rank above Amazon then you are really likely to make a sale when the searcher sees that Amazon is below you.

  56. Well it happened again. I fell towards the bottom of page one for most of yesterday but had by FAR the best single day I have had. In the 100’s of dollars for me. I realize that some of you here do that every day…but not me! So I am very happy. I could honestly kiss Dave right now.

    But getting back to the ranking deal…it just seems like I get a far better conversion rate when I am a bit lower. But it is nothing in concrete and scientific. Too small of a sample to really get any real accurate feed back I guess.

    Anyway, back to work on my sites. It makes it a helluva lot easier to work on this stuff when you actually start seeing results.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    HUndreds of dollars? Way to go Dude, it certainly gives you more of an incentive when you make good money. I had a load of posts drop from the top position yesterday.

    I was beating Amazon et all, and now there is bloody Amazon, Walmart and a few other big boys beating me. Grrrrrr.

    Gonna have lots of work to do this week. Todd, I find that if the price goes up for items then if you are lower down the page you still get an awful lot of traffic. Just as long as you are still on page 1 of course.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, I especially enjoy how Google puts its own Google Shopping links at the top for some products.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Are you still growing faster than G is destroying you?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    They are not destroying me, this team is invincible. Over 14K on Amazon this month between us and in a few days I hit the 8.5% earnings commission and the earnings jump. But in the new year I am concentrating on other affiliate networks for some different action too. I may even try to increase my adsense from $40 a day to something a bit better.

    Aint no stopping, aint no stopping me…………..

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Ain’t not stoppin’ me either.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, You still doin’ nothin’ but article marketing on PostRunner and BMR?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne, I also do some blog commenting now and then and article marketing and forum profiles and backlink solutions etc. Gotta mix it up a bit.

  57. @Todd, Congrats! I’m also celebrating, as this marks my first > 100 month – have blown through it fairly convincingly with a good few days in November left.

    Going over a total of 100 happened a while back, and this is the first 100 month for me…so next month, it’ll be in the Ks with Dave + Wife! ; )

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    The only way is up Dude. You will be over a K in no time.

    Have at it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    It wasn’t long ago that Dave said the same thing to me…and his prophecy has come true.

    Just keep on backlinking and you will be rewarded for helping lots of people find just what they want on Amazon!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94, I’m finding the age of domains is helping now, too. Got some stuff coming up a year old with content dating back to then, too.

    As an aside, something I have noticed – almost down to a formulaic pattern – is that you can put up a new post for something related to your niche, but wider than what you normally write about (say “white pants” on a site mainly about “white socks”), backlink it and have it show in G pretty sharpish on the front page if you have some domain age, authority and it is not overly competitive. Then you stop dripping backlinks, and it will fly all the way down the SERPS, then whip back up a week or so later. It’s beautiful to watch.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It could be totally unrelated to the niche too and the same thing happens. Authority is authority. You could rank for guitars on a socks niche site if you wanted too. May confuse the visitors though 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:


    Hi Dave, this is something I wanted to ask you about. In the New Year I want to start a more general site so that I can write about what ever I want.

    Do you have any advice as to domain name? I don’t want anything that would confuse visitors, or do they not take too much notice? I have a domain with “article” in it but wondered if that would put people off who were looking to buy, not read.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Suzanne, something with “review” or “reviews” in it is good. Otherwise you could have news, views, portal, “all”, “about”, “ultimate”.

    I’m trying to build one up with reviews in the name, as it gives you freedom to do whatever you want!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:


    Thanks Billy, trying to come up with something that would be suitable for everything really, will think along those lines. I was trying to think of something that wouldn’t pigeon hole me at all, so I could add adsense and affiliate links if I wanted to experiment.
    Don’t want to put all my eggs in one basket, income wise, so to speak. Plus I think some keywords that you find are perhaps better for one than the other, it’s all about testing.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    If I wanted to start a general site I would look at the domains that I already own and have developed a bit. A site with a few pages that have been indexed in Google for 6 months or more will give you a nice head start.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Suzanne, You got some good advice there. If you have an aged domain then I would use that if the domain is general enough in name. If not then reviews in it is a very god idea.

    But like Lando says, an aged domain would be great to use, even if it means learning how to buy one that could give you a massive boost at the start.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    Yeah, the days of me buying brand new domains is over (for the time being). Any “new” sites that I start are going on to existing domains that I have. Going back and beefing up year old sniper sites is really exciting. Like you say, the age certainly seems to give the site a bit more credibility with Google.

    But as Dave told me, and I have used to good effect, work the sites that are already making you money – they can make (a lot) more.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Kim Reply:

    @Billy, Age is definitely a factor. I have a few two-plus year old sites that I’ve really neglected over this last year, and all of sudden they’re ranking quite high for a number of competitive, high volume terms! Now I’m scrambling to monetize them properly, because I didn’t have a clue what I was doing when I built them.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94, P.S. Dead chuffed for your making 1k – especially as we both have a 9 to 5 in common. I can’t be on the sangria every night because I have to bosh some backlinks on the commute! I’ve sent you a “friend request” on Ben’s forum in an effort to get to PM/Email you (don’t like to publish my email here!) – I work on a few things that might help with keyword selection etc.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    I’ve hardly been on Ben’s forum at all recently. Will check it out.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94, I’m doing between $50 – $100 per month on Amazon now.

    Gotta get to those magic $100 that seem to forecast the golden future of endless supplies of Internet moolah!

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    Dave really simplified this whole MMO thing for me. Before I got serious (in a part-time way), I was writing about 1000 words a day and would take days off if I felt like it.

    Since taking Dave’s advice a bit more seriously, I have started to publish about 3000 words a day (5 or 6 days a week).

    I’m beginning to see that unless a niche stinks, if I put the work in, there is money to be made.

    Like anything in life, just wanting it wasn’t enough. I had to start taking the action required.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94, I’ve taken on the challenge of providing my website with 2-3 solid posts every single day (even on days that I work for a client). I’m taking the total posts on my site to 150 this way and then stand back and let’s see what happens.

    In the meantime, I’ve also gotta build some links. I’ll probably outsource those.

    I can’t do a lot of work in 1 day anymore. It’s too draining. That’s why I’m smearing it all out over the week. Once I get more results, I’m sure I’ll feel more energized.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Blackthorne, interestingly I have gone the other way, and am doing less posts but bolstering the sites with Backlinks instead. Read a great post on Leo’s old site (he has a PDF archive) where he talked about doing 1 post a month per site, and spending the rest of the time promoting it. Granted you need a solid number of posts to raise the profile of your site, but his approach seems to have worked well for me.

    Horses for course.

    BTW – does anyone use any IM here? Don’t know if it would be worth a few people putting their heads together to trade tips. Something like Google Wave would have been good…if it wasn’t going to die a death.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I have spent, and the Wife, about 3 months now solid backlinking every day. I think at least for me the ratio would be 1 post on my main site for every 2-300 backlinks I make at the moment. That is for a site that already has over 100 articles on it. $500 from that one site yesterday versus $750 for the whole year for it up until September makes it worthwhile. This week should be mad.

    Backlinks is it baby, all the way, unless you go for real longtails on authority sites.

    Blackthorne, just keep at it, we are burned out too. A few more weeks of crazy work and then relax.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, I know Dave… it’s just that I want to get to 150 posts to the site now. I will then leave it like that and spend all my time backlinking once again.

    Why backlink when I’m still set back traffic-wise? I’d rather use the opportunity to bulk up on content. This is Leo’s advice, btw. And I agreed with it.

    I’ll get there someday, though.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Hey Dude you go with what you think is best, see what works out and go with it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Don’t have much choice. I’m not getting much traffic for the exact keyword. I am depending on longtails here.

    If I want longtail traffic, I gotta give G enough content to give longtail traffic FOR.

    Plus… with lots of posts I can check out which one ranks and how much volume it gets. Then I can increase the ranks of the best performing posts.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:


    I think your right, I have been trying to do 3-4 posts a day. It’s a bit daunting and I am doing some backlinking as I go, but size does seem to matter at the moment.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Billy, There’s a reasonw hy Leo took down the site. It’s outdated information.

  58. Finally ranking is changed. My $3 month site is on no 3 for its keyword for local google. and google.com 3 page. Jumped from 10 page to page 1 rank 3. 20 Days ago i manually made 50-100 profile links from big sites. No changes in yahoo links but ranking is rised. Still i need to make this site no.1 globally. I need to check traffic. Right now no major changes.

  59. I might sound like Dave here but really the content is not the key. Don’t get me wrong…you need content but get content up there that you KNOW gets searched for and then link like there is no tomorrow.

    Get links from off site and internally link smartly…this has been the biggest difference in my business and I have Dave to thank for that. He always says 90% of your time should be back linking and he is right.

    But internal links are also really important.

    Also, I have to thank Dave for telling us all about Build My Rank….God, what a weapon that is. When Dave says that you can make a lot of money from just a page or two on a site he is exactly right.

    I have one site that has about four pages that should, once I am ranked well, bring in three to five thousand a month. I am not ranked well at all right now and it is doing in the hundreds a month. That is only four page on one of my sites! When you start getting good traffic to these pages and post and they are in a buying mood…WOW…what a difference.

    I think I mentioned this before but tools like Market Samurai, although it can be a bit quirky, really help with identifying really good keywords. There is one keyword phrase that I wanted to go after with one of my sites because it is a heavily searched phrase and it has a lot of PPC ads (which is one of my indicators for a good keyword phrase that pays). I really thought this phrase would be hard to rank for with a site that is only five and a half months old.

    I opened up Market Samurai and within one minute I could see the competition on the first page of Google was really not that hard. I then optimized two post on my site for this keyword phrase, waited till they were both indexed (which took about eight hours) and started building links to them. That was about two weeks ago.

    They are both on the first page of Google, position 3 and position 5, and helped me make five sales yesterday of an item that cost over $800. I NEVER would have gone after that keyword phrase without Market Samurai. When you check the top eight sites on Google they look tough to beat, but when you REALLY check they are actually so horribly optimized for that phrase it is almost shocking.

    You almost wonder if these large companies actually have anyone doing SEO for them.

    Anyway, a program like Market Samurai or Keyword Elite makes things so much more clear and they do it FAST!

    One other point and some may disagree and they might be right. When you see that you might have 6 million, 10 million, or 50 million competing pages that really does not mean a darn thing.

    You are ONLY trying to get on the first page of Google so ONLY the sites on the first page are what you need to really look at. The others mean NOTHING. Check them out. See how they are internally linked, that makes a BIG difference as I am finding out.

    When you use Market Samurai and Keyword Elite it becomes apparent that back links are important but they are not nearly as important as some think IF you do not have on page SEO done right.

    You would be amazed at how many sites have less than 50 links and outrank sites that have thousands. I know not all links show up, but when you see that big of a difference it is OBVIOUS that Google doesn’t JUST pay attention to links.

    Programs like Market Samurai and Keyword Elite really point this out. Having said that we do know that back links are important. But if you have the on page and site SEO done right….you can rank really well without a lot of back links.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Todd, Todd, can you do a few runs for me with the samurai tool?

    I’d have to give you personal info about my site so I’d need to talk to you in private. Do you msn or something?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Blackthorne, If you haven’t already used Market Samurai then you can download a free trial. You get full use of it for something like 14 days, and after that the keyword research module is free forever. The SEO ‘module’ that Todd is talking about is very nice. It doesn’t give you any information you can’t get anyway, but seeing it all at a glance on one screen is a damn sight easier than checking every page in the top ten individually.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Todd Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Craig is right. You can download a free 14 day trial version and see if you like it. It also comes with some pretty good training videos.

    I love the program, but when I said it was a big quirky I was talking about some issues it has with Google. Apparently the updates fixed this.

    As mentioned you can get all of this information yourself, but when you get it all really fast on one screen it makes it so much easier. And you WILL be surprised at how keyword phrases that you think might be tough to rank for….well they are not.

    Let me know if you have any questions with it. I am not an expert on any of this and that includes MS. But I might be able to help you out a bit.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Todd, I’ll give the trial a shot then.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:


    I agree with you about backlinking, but it does seem that the majority of sites that are ranking well for products are large sites. I am planning on getting my sites up to 100 pages/posts each.
    It can’t hurt, I am sure.

    What I am doing is doing cluster posts, one post for a main keyword and then several for longtails or individual products that are the same brand etc. I am then linking these internally together. I find it easier to do it this way because the posts are on the same wave length, so I find it quicker to do them.

    I am then trying to do some backlinking to each post/page. I am hoping that this will round my sites out, plus boosting overall amounts of backlinks to the site. I am not saying this will work, but it wont hurt. Hopefully this will get my site moving and then I will concentrate on backlinking.

    I would be interested to know how big your sites are that are doing well Todd? Thanks for the recommendation for MS. I use Traffic Travis but not too sure of the results.

  60. There was a discussion above about adding a quality authority post with nice pictures, links out to authority sites, no affiliate links at all, etc… No dice for me.

    My top 4 sites (when counting the season that it is) are all boxed, and 3 of them have been boxed within the last 20 days. No clue what the reason is, but I am suspecting blogrolls…

    Anyhow, I have pretty much never had to deal with the sandbox in my almost 3 year IM career, and having 3 sites that do their best during nov/dec boxed, any ideas?

    These are sites with decent link profiles, and quite a bit of age… one just turned 2 years, another is almost 3 years, and one is just 4 months…..

    At this point, I am probably just going to overly blast them with links…. figure if they are boxed and not coming out after 2-3 weeks, what do i have to lose…

    Very experienced in IM, not very experienced in handling the sandbox and getting sites out.

    Any ideas/tips would be great.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    We found that we hit the sandbox for a few sites at the same time too. I am in no doubt that it was because each site was trying to target similar terms.

    I think it was down to the item being re-classified as a tough term in an algo and the penalty ensued for going for it. 1 site has been back for 1 day and then gone again, which was a shame as it came back ranking like a dream, 1 is now almost back properly, and the others………..

    Were you targeting the same terms on the sites? I would just keep on as normal and they will be back, but it is surprising for such aged sites.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Breakaway Reply:


    Completely different niches… all are best during Christmas, but one is tech, one is toys, and one is kitchen crap…. It’s almost as if niches better in Nov/Dec are ones that got whacked, but even then, I have a few others that fit the bill and didn’t get whacked.

  61. Dave, check your BMR links that say “yes” and click through to the blogs they are on. Just this morning a fair percentage of them bring you to an “Account Suspended” page. Like this one:
    This is a new development and not a good one.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Seth, good catch, I found several suspended ones as well, sent an e-mail to BMR support, we’ll see what they say.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Can you let us know when they reply? No point everyone emailing them as it will just slow down the replies.

    Insert wipe tears from the eyes image.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Seth Reply:

    @Dave, This was the reply I just got:

    We’ve got an issue with one of our hosts we’re trying to sort out now.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Seth, I just got the same thing.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Everything seems to be back to normal now. All my stuff is showing up fine, panic over.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:



    Man, I have made a ton of cash with their sites and will be gutted if they are gone. Let’s see what happens although I don’t see how the same page comes up if they were on different hosting etc. Thanks for pointing it out Seth.

    Just started outsourcing them too.

    Bugger again.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Dave, no worries yet, I’m sure they’re running on their own VPN with self-created multiple Class C IP addresses–that’s the only way to do what they do and be profitable, and it would explain the same page error message on different sites. My guess is that one of their blocks of servers temporarily went down, but I’m an optimist (you gotta be in this business).

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Yeah me too. Not selling off the chickens yet. I am sure it is just some techno glitch I have no understanding of. Seth, stop making me worry about things.

    And I was gonna be off the vino too.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Lorecee, I agree – I can’t imagine maintaining an infrastructure of 100s of domains and rolling out WordPress to anything other than a series VPSs (you could automate the whole thing once you have your VPS IP)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Lorecee, It must be something like that. I haven’t lost any rankings on sites that Ive just used BMR on, and I did a few searches myself on old BMR posts that I’d written and they are still up and indexed.

  62. I’ve seen some discussion here about only targeting one keyword per post, and this makes sense. But what about plurals and transposed versions of the same longtail. For example, would you target red widget and red widgets on the same post? Also, something like red sealing widgets and sealing red widgets – should they be separate posts? Any input from anyone would be helpful – you guys are all great!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Kim, Google will take care of normal plurals – it doesn’t really see much difference between “widget” and “widgets” – or if it does, there is not much we can do about! Better to chuck in a mix of them to make it look more natural.

    If you’re writing about a “goose” and “geese” it could be tricker, so I would again spread the link love – or see what is more popular in terms of search traffic and plump for that.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Kim Reply:

    @Billy, Thanks Billy. That’s pretty much what I’ve been doing if both the singular and plural have high searches.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I would definitely go for those terms in one post. Normally I would write the plural as the title and then target both terms, same for the keywords in a different order.

    Put the different variations in a h2 or h3 in the post and you should do fine targeting them.

  63. BTW, your theme is all jacked up on Chrome…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Cheers, will look in to it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Breakaway, Works a treat here (Windows and Mac, both Chrome)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    For some reason it is just this post, at least on the Wife’s computer (she uses chrome). All the other posts look fine. Very odd and I don’t know how to sort it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, +1 to that.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Dave, Could try shrinking that first image a bit? Get it down to 300px wide and see if that fixes it. I use Firefox and the page is fine, but I just checked it in Chrome and it’s a little fubared.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wifey Reply:

    @Dave, And this is what you do for a living! One page got you stumped!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    8.5% on Amazon already Wifey, so IN YOUR FACE!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wifey Reply:

    @Dave, But the $$$$s are more important and who wins for those?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Kim Reply:

    @Wifey, I think I understand why you guys are so successful. Competition is a strong motivator 🙂

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Don’t encourage her. Luckily I taught her everything she knows so I always have that to fall back on 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Oy, don’t be messing with my image missus. We shall see who wins by the end of the month.

  64. The death of affiliate marketing.


    Can you imagine if every time someone came to your affiliate page then clicked to Amazon, CJ etc, they had to say, yes I would like a cookie on my computer. We would be out of business in a second.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Dave, It would certainly cause problems, but you could still get earnings from people who visit Amazon from your link and buy something without leaving the site (I would have thought this is how most sales go?) – they can store your affiliate tag in a session there end, you don’t need cookies for that.

    But yes, would be a bummer, but can’t imagine people signing off on this – everyone would be hit, and people who don’t know much about internet/computers would panic and hit “No” for every site they came across – the web would be awash with bloody pop up boxes.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Billy, There are other ways to track people. IP proofing ét al. A solution will be out in a month*, and whoever gets to patent it first makes major moolah. Industry wide problems are not something the average individual has the resources to solve but it is in the industry’s interest to get them taken care of. Hence they will be.

    *ques up work for his patent trolls and that rocket engineer i keep hidden in the basement

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Dave, That’s craziness. The EU really goes overboard sometimes. Anybody who’s that concerned about privacy can already set up their browser to reject all cookies, or require confirmation for each cookie. Merely formalising that process in law wouldn’t be a bad thing, but if they go further and insist on specific opt-ins that’s going to make using the internet more annoying for everyone.

    And obviously it would make things difficult for us. Might not affect Amazon sales too much: 24 hour cookies aren’t much better than just using session IDs anyway. But losing all those 60/90 day (or lifetime for some network) cookies would be a bitch.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Yeah, we make a lot of money from affiliate programs with a 30 day cookie. A lot of times people who aren’t in a real hurry to buy take their time searching around. But as we use sites with great prices we often get sales after they have finished doing their research.

    Man, imagine having to change to dealing with orders yourself and forwarding them. Urggh.

    I did dropshipping and kept inventory too when I made money on ebay, daily post office trips and dealing with a million questions. Not to mention paying for stock. Man, I love affiliate marketing for not having to deal with all that again.

    Although, there is money to be made from dropshipping and direct sales where you keep the inventory it is a major pain in the bum at the same time. Imagine waking up one morning and there were no default cookies. Business would crumble.

    I guess over the next few decades all kinds of crazy stuff will happen though, just gotta go with what gets thrown at us.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Dave, Yeah, I’ve made a bit of cash selling stuff on eBay and Amazon. Lugging a bag full of parcels to the post office every day is far from fun.

    With a decent dropshipper (not easy to find it seems) an ecommerce site seems like a pretty sweet way to make money, though.

    Even if the harsh version of this law becomes reality, I wonder if it will affect those (most) of us who have our websites on US servers?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Seth Reply:

    @Craig, If it happens in Europe the USA will not be far behind. Look at all the crazy regulations for Internet poker from country to country. The US is leading the charge there as politicians want to get in our lives in every way they can. After all, they do know what’s best for us right?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Cookies are also used to track what a user has in his shopping cart.

    To use Amazon, the user would *have* to accept cookies to be able to buy anything at all.

  65. If the US really does follow suit on something like that because they’re concerned about privacy maybe they’ll also get rid of those exposing full body scanners in airports too… not likely.

    If that really happens i’ll just move to Chile. They’ve got pretty open business regulations 🙂

  66. The comments on this post have been my last two night’s reading, it’s better the certain IMers blogs lol. Quick question though Dave, what’s your thoughts about just making a general product blog? So instead of having a shoes website an cover all dif types of shoes, jusy have a product site which covers any types of product? Then from there u work on creating and pushing shoe pages for a few months, then same for hats for a few months… Surely that way would still give you love in each area (See it as a shoe and hat site)?

    The only thing risky I can see about that is you’re putting all your eggs in one basket with one site, but to minimise this you could make three or four of these type of sites with say three large product niches each? Sure that would save on the long process of getting trust for each new site…

    Let me know your thoughts 🙂

    P.S If there’s any spelling mistakes it’s because I’m typing this on my phone in bed… This online thing is always on the mind lol

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I see nothing wrong with it at all. I have one myself that I am going to work on a lot in the new year. No, actually I have two!!!

    No different to a Hubpages, Squidoo, Ezinearticles or any other general site. If you work it and get backlinks then you can rank anything within reason. Search engines rank pages so get them backlinks and build up the overall authority and you are good to go.

    Let’s say I have a site about elliptical trainers. And I write about all the different model numbers. Do search engines have a big list of every trainer on the market so that when they come to my site they know that every piece of content is relevant? I doubt it. They just rank what gets the most backlinks on the best site. Get the layout right fr the visitors and you can write about anything at all on a general site.

    And this post has turned in to a bit of a monster in the comments section I know, new content will arrive in the new year.

    Sweet dreams Shaun.



  67. Well my best site just got axed by Google. I had made it to position 3 on the first page and within 10 minutes it was gone…and I mean gone…except it is still indexed. Who knows when it will come back. Bad bad time for it to happen.

    There is absolutely NO WAY in the world I would build one large site and go with that. FAR too risky. Google is the KING and they can ruin you within hours and for reasons you have no idea about.

    Build as many good sites in as many niches as possible. Google is getting tough and tougher. I hope my sites come back soon or I am going to miss out on some SERIOUS dough one of them was starting to make.

    EVERY single keyword phrase I was ranking high for, and I was only targeting four of them, was gone in 10 minutes and are NOT in the top 50 pages as of now. Just poof!

    And one site that is at number five has a page devoted to the product but when you go to the page….there is NOT ONE MENTION of the product on the page. Ridiculous.

    This happened in early October to my then BEST site and it still has not come back. It makes this whole thing really frustrating.

    I had another site go POOF in about two hours about three weeks ago that was ranking well for about five to six terms I wanted to rank for and I was making good strong sales with that one….then suddenly it was gone. It has NOT come back yet.

    Google can be brutal sometimes. They say they want to bring back the most relevant results…and yet in the case of two of my sites there are at least five sites on page one for my keyword phrases that are not even close to being as relevant. Makes you really wonder sometimes.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    This is why I really think, and I do it, that you should double or triple up on profitable sites. But more importantly on the best posts on them. Use Hubs and Squidoo and even snipsly ranks well with backlinks.

    Todd I feel your pain I really do. My traffic for my Christmas site doubled yesterday for Thanksgiving day and I am looking forward to the weekend. You may find you just pop back in a few hours.

    I still have a site then went in Sept. It came back for one day the other day and I would be raking it in if it had stayed.

    And the Wife had some good news just a few minutes ago as I was actually typing this. A site that she had a double listing for on page one for one of the most competitive terms she has ever gone for suddenly just came back.

    So she now has 4 spots on page 1. Her double listing, another site that she did, and a Hub. If something makes money then put them effort in to rank other properties as well.

    A lot of people will say not to put the effort in to rank others properties but if you can make money from them then why not as long as you put more effort in to your own stuff.

    I hope your site comes back soon Todd but here is what I would make sure you do.

    Don’t just target 4 or 5 keywords. It is too narrow. I keep totally losing rankings on My Christmas site, but for individual terms. That means one page no longer ranks. But I target hundreds. Sure, only 3 or 4 make the real money as they are the popular items, but you build up the general authority of the site.

    It may seem like wasted work spending months ranking posts that don’t make thousands a month but it means you are less likely to lose rankings for the profitable keywords too. Hopefully your site will be back today as it is the most profitable few days of the year. I would build a Squidoo lens and a Hub about your main terms RIGHT NOW, then backlinks straight away. You may make some money if the site does not come back.

    Bottom line?

    You are right, this game is a bugger.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    As an update my site that has been gone for months but came back for one day has now returned. It is also targeting the same terms as the Wife and weirdly both are back on the same day.

    So there is definitely something going on. Either the terms have changed in terms of the algo or there is just a big shuffle again and they will be gone again later today. If it could just hang in there for a day it will be very good money. But this just shows how weird this whole game is Todd. Hang in there and all sites come back eventually.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    That is freaky. My site in the same niche was doing quite nicely for a couple of low volume longtails but has disappeared almost completely in the last 12 hours. One search term has dropped from position 1 to 187. Most other ones have dropped out completely…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    I told Google to not let Lando get any traffic for the same niche as my Wife 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1teatree Reply:

    @Dave, FWIW, a site of mine that disappeared on 17th Nov has also come back. Not sure if it’s down to algo change or down to a change I made yesterday.

    The site had bestseller images right underneath the header and above the main post, linking to amazon. I changed the links to link to individual posts on my site instead, and it came back within 12 hours of being re cached. I think big G doesn’t like us sending people to Amazon via picture images if the images are not surrounded by text.

    On the other hand the site’s return might be a great big coincidence. Who knows? I’m not going to touch the on-page stuff on it again till Jan!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I am like that. If I am ranking well I even panic about sending backlinks in case I tip it over the edge. But if I don’t then what if I lose rankings.

    Oh the dilemma of it all.

    Damned if you do, and dumped if you don’t.

    I might become a postman instead. Bet you make loads of money at Christmas time!!!!!

    (Joke posties)

    Vote -1 Vote +1All is well Reply:

    @Dave, HI dave should i buy .info and .biz domain. Because i wanted to save some money. Buying 50 domain names and 30 info 20 others.
    Will you consider making .info and .biz as authority sites. Because i got some good name in this.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @All is well,

    I have a .info that makes thousands every month. Makes no difference to me. But if they are thin sites then you may find it harder. Spammers buy .infos as they are cheap but if you build up the content then you should have no problem.

    But, I would buy a .com if it was available first.

    How can you run 50 new sites? You may be better off buying two or three domains and save the hassle, but I am just not a fan of having a ton of sites.

    If you can build them up then go for it. We make our best money with .infos and I have never found them any different to any other domain.

    Keep it real Dude. I am off to get hooked up to the vino drip.

    And guess what………………..

    I GOT SPARKLERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Woo Hooo.

    (Um, yeah, we didn’t get any for fireworks night okay) Don’t you judge me.

    Vote -1 Vote +1All is well Reply:

    I am too afraid of hackers. thats why i was running lot of blogspots. Even doing blogspot is also profitable. One of my good blog got hacked and it was getting hacked again and again. So, i need lot and lot of sites so, if they loose ranking or hacked. I will be safe and not in frustration.

    I bought 2 reseller from hostgator black friday. 80% off. you can also buy if in case.
    I will try to add 10-20 website per month. Let see if i will be able to manage them or not. Even i can earn some decent money from my blogspot. trying to develop 7 blogspots. right now. 4 are really big.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @All is well, http://www.firehost.com/ Hacker worries be gone.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:


    Hi All is well – a couple of things to keep the bastards out – oops I mean hackers out – there’s a plugin called – limit login attempts. Here is the link, but I am sure there are others http://devel.kostdoktorn.se/limit-login-attempts Just a normal plugin and simple to set up in about 1 minute.

    You can set it so after 3 or 4 incorrect attempts, the person is locked out for an initial 20 minutes. After another 3 or 4 attempts its locks them out for say 24 hours or whatever configuration you want to make them.

    I would also recommend you check out http://lockyourblog.com by Alex Sysoef. He has some pretty good recommendations.


  68. Amazon on Thanksgiving day. None of the sales are from my main Christmas niche.

    22 video games
    27 DVD’s
    35 books
    80 or so other items including cameras, phones, camcorders, kitchen stuff etc

    And then……..

    In my niche another 280 items


    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Dave, haha – nice work. I sold 0! C’est la vie. Wish it was August again so I could work at it again 🙂

    Vote -1 Vote +1DMace Reply:

    @Dave, awesome… I only sold 34 items but seeing as how I only have two sites that are even remotely related to Christmas I am OK with that. How much $$$ does 500+ items equate to 🙂

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It equals ka ching 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay94 Reply:


    THAT is inspiration! Congratulations Dave 🙂

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay94,

    Cheers Dude. The Wife sold 101 of a certain thing on Black Friday, cool huh. Not part of my stats though, which she likes to remind me of.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Johric Reply:


    Now I see why I can’t sell more of 7 of these things per day – you’re Wife rules the market 🙂

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    😉 She is taking over the front page until SHE OWNS IT ALL. It makes such a difference having more than one spot there. People just have to submit to the cookie eventually.

    You spying on her?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wifey Reply:

    @Johric, Paranoia has now totally set in – 4 new hub accounts created – you won’t find me now! Well until you spot them all on P1 of googledom (fingers crossed).

    Vote -1 Vote +1Johric Reply:

    Oops….I did not mean to scare anyone. LOL. I should start watching my mouth, otherwise people will start losing sleep 🙂

    Not exactly spying. Just I was checking keywords in The Things niche and noticed That hub on P1. Did some backlink profile checking and noticed saw some PSs and/or BMRs. Dug around some more, added bits and pieces, and decided its Her 🙂

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It’s all good. A lot of people are very paranoid about their niches when the reality is that even if people knew everything that you were doing most of them would never put in the work required to compete.

    6 months or a year of solid backlinking to a single page or two is what most people simply will not do. But as we can see, the results are more than worth it.

    I really should do a post about earning a full time living from a couple of posts, or maybe I have already? Yep, I have.

    But you have made the Wifey get all paranoid, the problem with Hubpages, at least for her, is that people actually follow her and then look at what keywords she is going after and try to copy. BUT THEY WILL FAIL 😉 Apart from you of course, as selling 7 in a day is a good amount of money. Most would be ecstatic over those kind of earnings and I bet you do really well with your other MAN stuff too!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Dave, I’ve been thinking a lot about this over the last few days, and you hit the nail on the head – most people are just not prepared to put in the work and effort required to succeed at this game, and are looking for the quick win. You can use this to your advantage when trying to one-up a competitor.

    (Unless it’s Dave or his Wife, then you should move on…)

  69. Hey Dave. I’ve decided to follow your truly outstanding guide for making $1000 in 30 days and see if I can break through an income barrier. Enough messing around with “green”keywords – I’m going after the big guns! I have a two year old site that does pretty well with some low volume long tails, and I’ve added a post on a very high volume, high competition keyword that fits the site perfectly. I signed up for postrunner (through your link of course, you’re welcome), but I’m going to modify your schedule to only 5 postrunners a day because I’m also using Unique Article Wizard and I hate writing. Then when I’m successful, I can be the first testimonial for the ebook you’ll write about your system and sell for $197 – $97 – $47 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Way to go. The tougher keywords can definitely earn a lot of cash. Thanks for signing up under the aff link, it is always appreciated.

    Let me know how you get on. After really focusing on backlinks for many many months now I am in absolutely no doubt that it is where nearly all the time should be spent.

  70. Just under 900 items sold for Black Friday for me. Not including the Wifes rather hefty looking stats. Woo hoo.

    And even my Mum, who wrote 50 Hubs in a fortnight a month or two back is going to have earned well over $150 for the month, if not $200 or more. If she can do it anyone can, believe me.

    How did she do it, bearing in mind she has not got a clue what she is doing.

    She looked at what Hubs got natural search and then wrote 300 word articles and I published them for backlinks for her. How did she pick what to write about?

    She looked at the bestsellers in a few categories and then wrote weird ass post titles like “Best price white sock for sale buy now stop looking cheap”

    Not recommended 😉 Imagine how well she will do next year once she has a clue what on earth she is doing. She is enjoying herself though.

    Write it, backlink it for the terms google says it likes you for and rinse and repeat. Also helps if you know what you are doing but it won’t stop my Mum.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Johric Reply:



    Couple of months ago I made a note to myself that I am getting like 1/10 of results you get. Still rings true for me. 93 items sold yesterday. First $300+ day! Feels so good to be on the right track 🙂

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    Good going Johric. I had my best day so far on Black Friday with 30 items sold. Does that make me 1/30th of the man Dave is?

    I know what you mean about being on the right track 🙂

  71. Well I have no doubt your ideas work too Dave, because as soon as I slacked off the numbers dropped – but then went back to linking and there they go again straight up! It is almost too strainge that I can add so many links to just a few posts and only good is happening – don’t want to jinx myself! I’m doing some test on related items in new posts to see what happens. this is on one site with fewer than 60 posts too, so I am going to keep building, but not until after the holiday effort.

    I just wanted to also say thanks for the idea to leave the green keyword thing behind, I was lucky enough to have several aged domains and can just kick butt with enough content on high ranking terms as I’m doing this holiday, I just have to not slack off except maybe after the 24th when Amazon shipments will be too late 🙂 But only until the hangover wears off then back to work after that.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Glad it is working so well, that is really great news. Although longtails and “Green” keywords do definitely have their place people do forget that often you can rank well for terms that simply look to hard.

    There really is a lot to be said for concentrating on just a few winning posts and linking them almost every day. The results can be incredible and you pick up longtail terms to target as well in your stats.

    Keep on backlinking Sue, it never stops, but then again neither does the money 😉

  72. What steps do I need to do/ how to: apply and get approved to be an Amazon Affiliate?


    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @HZ, Just go to the website (Amazon.com for US – consensus is that Americans are more willing to buy stuff – Amazon.ca for Canada, etc.) and sign up. You’ll have to supply a website, but this doesn’t have to be much. Just put a few articles onto Blogspot if you don’t have anything yourself (probably even a Hubpage would work, though I’ve never tried that). You can send traffic from any website after you’re approved.

    Amazon is very easy to get into, just sign-up and get working!

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Craig, (Forgot to say: Scroll to the bottom of the Amazon site and click on “Join Associates” to start the process)

    +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Wifey Reply:

    @Craig,A few Hubs will get you on – my sis just had done 2 or 3 I think when she got accepted for Amazon.

  73. Pushing Build My Rank harder than a dealer on the streets of Baltimore. Shiiiit!

    Started timing myself. Definitely helps me grind them out faster. Just did five in 18 mins 43 secs.

    I’m throwing down the gauntlet!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94, I find that timing them improves the volume that I crank out as well. I use this http://www.focusboosterapp.com/

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    Thanks for the link. I’m just having a look. I have been using an online stopwatch: http://www.online-stopwatch.com/ Nothing fancy but it does the trick.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94, I use that one for my 8 minute meditation. 🙂

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    Hey Man, $280 for this month so I thought I should really give it a feature spot. A man’s gotta eat 😉 Fits nice with the new theme I thought.

    You type like well slow innit. Using your feet are you?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    Bugger. It took me 19 mins and some change. You win Lando and I apologize for my sarcasm.


    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    Wrote out five titles, started the stopwatch, clicked “Write Post(s)” used the “Submit & Add Another” button and got five done in a new record time (for me) of 16:48

    My toes were pumping!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    Pwned! New PB: 14:22 for five of the best. I’m turning into a full-time part timer. 3000 words done before 11.30…and I’m at work. I loves Internet Marketing.

    FWIW I accept your unreserved, grovelling apology 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    Gee thanks!

    That is some super speed you have going, let the rankings reflect all your hard work Lando.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94, I do 10 in half an hour.

    But I’m outsourcing this stuff anyway!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    Nice pace. Just hit my best timed score so far: all up, five in 16:22

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94, Do you ever go mad for rewriting the same shit over and over?

    It makes me suffer from aggression attacks.

    That’s why I’m outsourcing now. It’s better for my health.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    “Think and act cheerfully, and you will be cheerful.”

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94, …let’s see how yesterdays orders went, first…

  74. Congrats on the new theme Dave.
    I know you’re itching to crank a new post out mate…

    The footer logotype is hardcore.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Cheers. I couldn’t fix the problem with the old theme messing up in chrome so have been messing with suffusion instead. S’okay innit?

    No new posts until the new year, I am keeping my word. But expect a biggie and a goodie.

    The footer is my homage to Naruto, the name of my Cat and an Anime I used to watch a lot until it seemed to lose its way a little.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    Naruto? The ninja school anime?

    Hmm…you’re killin’ me.

    Robotech, the Macross Saga, or any of their sagas (except the recent stuff)…For comics, though, it has to be Blood Sword.

    Anyway. Can’t believe it. Naruto…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I love anime.

    Cowboy Bebop is the best there is for me. Killer stuff. I also love Serial Experiments Lain, Hellsing, Samurai Champloo, Boogiepop Phantom and anything from the Ghibli studios, especially my Neighbor Totoro.

    Man I could go on and on.

    Still don’t understand Neon Genesis Evangelion though.

  75. Yeah, my left foot!

    Gotta say, the new theme is tighter.

  76. Dave,

    Wow, this is a great post! I’m a complete newbie here and really enjoy your blog posts. This long thread of comments is also incredibly informative (thanks all you folks who share your experiences). I believe you’re right about needing to go bigger. Just on the short time I’ve been doing research with Market Samurai, I’ve seen smaller sites drop from the rankings to be replaced by bigger sites for the keywords I’ve been watching.

    I have a question here. I’ve started with WordPress to build some review sites, and really like the fact that its very easy to use. Question is, what Theme works well for bigger sites? I’m thinking it needs to be more flexible and scalable (as the # of post keeps increasing) for bigger sites. So, for all of you more experienced people here, any suggestion for a WP Theme that works well for super sites?



    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Welcome to the site. Glad you enjoyed it and I do find the comments get better every day, good innit?

    I won’t give out the themes I use as I have already told a good few people and I think some new ideas would be good, for me as well, so let’s see if anyone has any ideas. Actually the theme I now have on here is very flexible. It is suffusion. You can change the sidebars, colors of the theme, the total layout, fonts etc.

  77. A little bit of a funny story here. I have a fiance in the Philippines. She knows what I am trying to do with internet marketing and supports me 100%. And while she is really smart she really doesn’t understand what I am doing at all.

    About a month ago I built her a Hubpage based around a new product that has just come out. I chose the keyword phrase Best Price XXXXX XXXXX for the Hubpage. That was about a month ago and today I checked my sales stats and I’ll be…two sales of this product. Not much but it is a $200 product so she made $16.

    I told her this afternoon when we talked and she about thought she hit the filipino lottery!!! So excited and happy and now she wants to really learn this stuff. I think I was happier for her and her two sales than ANY sales of any sort I have ever made.

    It is a funny how people pick their heads up and pay attention when they make a sale or two. They start to realize this does work…if you can figure out a way to make two sales then you can figure out a way to make four then eight and so on. But you have to do something. You must take action.

    By the way, that Hub is at number one on Google for the keyword phrase I am after with NOTHING being done to it. No backl linking nothing. And the traffic is really starting to rise for it.

    I think there is still a decent future for Hubpages….now if I can just figure out how to get my own Amazon link into the page like Dave describes. For some reason I cannot figure it out.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    The first sales are always the best. Congrats to her, and you. Cool story Todd.

    Adding your own links in Hubpages is easy Todd. Get the html code for a link from Amazon. Add a text capsule in Hubpages and then put the code in the html editor.

    That’s it. Then you can make it stand out by putting it in bold, a header two and it centers if you use the put in quotes option.

    Job done.

    Now you have to give me 40% of the impressions instead of Hubpages 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Todd, Great story Todd.

    I’m trying to outsource some stuff to the Phillies now, but those people are shy and flaky. It takes a long time to find a loyal one that can deliver.

    As for me… I’ve broken the $100 monthly barrier on Amazon. Like Dave says… the only way is up now!

  78. I also have to comment on this Suffusion theme….this is one sick theme and the fact that it is free is pretty amazing. I am shocked by the amount of customization that can be done to this theme.

    One of the things that I have not figured out how to do is this:

    I do not want the date, post by, or comments under the page title….how do I get rid of them or can I get rid of them in this theme. Actually I do not even want the page title there as I think it looks sloppy for what I am doing.

    Any ideas?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    I do not use this theme but what you have to do is going to be similar (if not exactly the same) as what I outline below.

    Much as I would like to take credit for this, it was Dave that told me how to do it. Why does he have to be so damn helpful!?

    Take a look in Appearance > Editor.

    Select the Main Index Template.

    Search for the line of code:

    Underneath this there should be some code you can remove to get rid of the date, title, comments, written by, etc.

    You could then repeat this for the Single Post file as well if you want the same sort of display when people view your actual posts.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    In my previous post, where it says “Search for the line of code:” it should say:

    ?php while (have_posts()) : the_post(); ?

    This will appear within the less than and greater than symbols.

  79. I have a question about adding posts or content to posts.

    Let’s say my website is about footwear. I have a post about pink socks. I look at my statcounter and analytics and see I have people finding the post with knee high pink socks, crew pink socks and “brand” pink socks.

    Do I add knee high pink socks etc to the content on the pink socks page or…… do I write a post about knee high etc and then link them to the original pink socks post?


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I would definitely add it to the page. If you are getting a lot of traffic for terms you did not intentionally go for then I would also add it to the title. Only if the traffic warranted it. But definitely add it to the post.

    And if the traffic is good for the term then I would do as you say and write a new post too, link them BOTH together and get a double listing.

    I bet you look nice in them too 😉

  80. Did as well as my Nov 2008 and Nov 2009 combined…. and that’s with 4 sites in the box (and still not out yet)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    SWEET. Our final numbers for the month were pretty cool too. I think I may have made a dollar in 2008 if I was lucky!

  81. Hey Dave – aka BMR Dealer 🙂

    Geez, I fried my brain writing 40 BMR articles (6000 words of content for 1 keyword phrase) this afternoon. That is a mind numbing experience, but I will do the same or more tomorrow. Hell, I might even do some more tonight after a bit of rest and relax. Like the new theme, its pretty – but can’t you make it a little ugly – please.

    Oh, this Amazon stuff is kinda of cool – made 3 sales yesterday and not even ranked at the top yet. But, with a last strong effort this week with BMR and I hope to be number 1.

    Have a great day

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Watch it you, I HAVE to eat.

    It’s as I keep saying, if it isn’t in the visitors face then conversions are lower, even true for IM’ers 😉

    Keep on going Dude, even if it kills a few cells. I wrote 23 postrunners yesterday and it really did make me feel a little it. And damn those site owners for not approving my content instantly.

    The Wife gave me some stats for one of her keywords yesterday. The difference between what a site made that ranks numero uno and another that is number 6 was the difference between earning a few hundred a month and a good few thousand.

    Number one all the way baby.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:


    Well, another 40 BMR posts today. That makes 80 in 2 days for this keyword I am moving to the top of G. But, damn G is taking its sweet fricken time. Can you phone Sergey Brin and Larry Page (Co-Founders of Google) for me and tell them to get off their butts and rank me already. I need some cash from Amazon for Xmas 🙂

    Have a great day Dave

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I am on it Dude. Anyone else need any keywords ranking better?

    Now that is a daft question 😉

  82. 2500 free backlinks for anyone that wants them. http://www.imtalk.org/cmps_index.php?pageid=IMT-Website-Submitter

    It can’t hurt. Thanks to Peter http://www.peterleehc.com/blog/work-from-home/how-you-can-easily-get-2500-backlinks-here for a nice heads up. May as well stick some sites , Squidoos etc in there.

    On a side note, yesterday I had 233 pages indexed for this site. Now it is…….well, more. If you get comments to your site then the SEO comments plugin may be worth a look. http://www.prelovac.com/vladimir/wordpress-plugins/seo-super-comments

    Top tips for Thursday.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Dave, There are a few of those site submitter scripts around, but that is a very nice one. I’ve previously been using a semi-manual 20-site script to get new websites indexed (it’s never taken more than a few hours) but I may switch to this one in future.

    No point using it on Hubpages/articles/etc. though, it only works for domains/subdomains. Most of these scripts are like that, although I do have a list somewhere of similar sites where you can submit deep links.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    OK, so homepage only then. Still good to mix it up for your link profile, and Craig, yeah, perfect for getting new sites indexed.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Peter Lee Reply:

    @Dave, I actually started with many micro adsense sites about 15 months ago and now focusing on the top earners and turning them to bigger sites, sort of semi-authority sites if you may. So you’re spot on about focusing on bigger sites being much better. It just makes a lot more sense and pride owning them.

    Thanks for the link love Dave.. actually the same person who wrote this script did one for Directory Submitter too and here it is in case anyone wants to have a go:

    but just remember the benefits are more long term and I usually do a few a day doing it like a daily task along with many of my daily tasks like blog commenting etc.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Peter Lee,

    I think apart form anything else it just make the whole business a lot easier to manage as well. A few large sites that are the main earners are definitely going to be easier to manage. And as you say Peter they can be something to be a little proud of as well.

    That looks interesting as well Peter, and thanks for taking the time to comment.

  83. Dave, when you say something like “backlink a single page for a month” what does that actually end up looking like? Do you just end up with 400 BMRs at the end of the month?

    Also, does article marketing still work for you at all? I have been using article marketing robot(which will get your article out to 1000 directories) and I see virtually no effect from it. Even when I hit the same page with 10 articles. Maybe I’m just crazy though.

    I’m getting kind of frustrated. The only way I’m getting ahead anymore is by spamming……

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Josh, I am finding that more and more automated tools are simply having no effect. Article marketing simply does not seem to work well for me, unless it is to sites that allow in content links rather than an author bio. I guess the algos have caught up them at last.

    What I mean by backlinking for a month is exactly that, it could be with BMR or postrunner. Just keeping at it until you get where you want to be. I have now been backlinking 1 site every day for 3 months. Minimum of about 20 links a day, all done manually, and it works amazingly well.

    BMR is a Godsend and you will get amazing results and if you mix them in with postrunners and some article directory links for a mixed profile you should see good results. Don’t discount Backlinks Philippines either. Mix it up and don’t give up Josh.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:


    I would also suggest to check press release services (Warrior Forum perhaps). You can get an amazing amount of back links and diversification from press releases to literally hundreds and thousands of different IP addresses with just one. How do I know this? Because one press release I had done went viral buddy and sitting around 23k results. Oh ya, gotta like those too.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    Thanks for the advice Darell. Do you have any specific advice for helping a PR go viral?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:


    See response below with a link for my go to person..here is the real deal

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Thanks. I do keep meaning to look in to that. And that is a serious number of backlinks, sweet.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:


    Here is my go to guy for press releases…his name is Gary …his team writes them and submits them for $28 US. The cool thing, is they go viral over a period of 6 weeks. So don’t expect much in the first 1 or 2 weeks, but after wards yes. Now, I want to qualify this as well. The reason I got so many backlinks was because its internet related. Other niches depend on how popular. Like the home business arena for one of my authority sites – has about 1200 links from a press release after about 2 1/2 weeks but it will keep climbing over a 6 week period..that’s why I like them…

    here’s his link at warrior forum..he is backed up so don’t expect it for about 7 to 10 days.


    Cheers and merry xmas

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:


    Dave can you check your other sp*m folder as I added a link in a previous comment today for the warrior forum on the person I use all the time for press releases. Just want to ensure you receive that information.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I sorted it, and thanks for the link. I am definitely going to get on it asap. Press releases are something I have seriously neglected. And those are some great links you are getting.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    I will see what kind of price BMR is at after they reopen. I’m not keen on spending a lot for it. For now I think I will give postrunner a go, but I’m not looking forward to dealing with webmasters.

    Also, I’ve been making profile links with sick submitter(a fraction of the price of backlink Philippines). Thats basically what I meant when I said all I have had success with lately is spamming.

    I’m not giving up(November was my best month so far by a long shot), just getting frustrated.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Johric Reply:

    I am also using Sick for forum profile backlinking. What I am looking into these days are additional scripts for Sick that automatically distribute spun articles. I see these scripts as alternative to BMR.

    There are several different scripts – one submits articles to article directories, second submits to WordPress-powered article directories, another script creates accounts and makes blogs on ELGG-powered sites. There was also a script that creates WPMU blogs, but I think author has pulled this one off the market as massive spamming was going on.

    Are you using any of these?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    I’m just creating profile links. I use article marketing robot for articles, which I would suggest you try if thats what you’re looking for. However, if you try any of them let me know how it goes.

    I guess I should clarify that my problem with BMR coming back at over $100 would be that I could buy 5-10 VPS servers and put scrapebox or sick on all of them(I plan to do this eventually anyways) and that would tear apart what I could do with BMR…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Now you are all getting technical and I am getting lost.

    I couldn’t get my head around sick at all. But aren’t a lot of those forum profile links going to either get removed or are just on low PR sites. Or are some of the lists good high PR sites like backlinks Philippines?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    You can create your own packets. You could just take your reports from backlinks Philippines and run them through if you know what platform they are on.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Johric Reply:


    I checked out the Backlinks Philippines sales page. It looks to me that they are creating the same ol’ profile backlinks for you. They are filtering out low PR sites and they create backlinks manually.

    Filtering out low PR sites – you can do it yourself when you do submissions with Sick. I don’t do that. I believe a link is a link. Today it is from PR- forum, after next PR update it can be PR4 forum. Or PR5 site can lose its PR. You can never know.

    Creating backlinks manually. I don’t know if it matters for Google. Sure Google can compare timestamps when profiles were created, buy do they do that?

    Here is my progression they different modes of profile backlinks creation.

    Stage 1: Manual mode – actually it’s semi-manual as I used form-filling software Roboform and SEO Link Dominator later on. I was using Angela and Terry Kyle backlink packets. Cost – $20-$30 one time payment for software, $40+5 monthly for backlink packets. Now I have cancelled these subscriptions, but I still use these backlinks lists.

    Stage 2: Outsourcer – I have a part time girl in Philippines who semi-manually makes profile backlinks. She can create 50-60 profiles per hour. It takes 2 more hours to paste links in there. So it is 3 hours work for 60 completed profiles with 4 links in each, that is 240 links. Cost – salary $1 per hour. Actually I hired her for $0.50 per hour, but I quickly realized she is a real deal, so she got a raise. Compare it with Backlink Philippines prices 🙂 OK, Backlink Philippines put pictures in the profiles. My gal also could do that, but I don’t think it is necessary at all. I use these outsourced backlinks for my hubs – each hub gets 5-10 links per week. I am also planning her to teach her blog commenting for backlinks.

    Stage 3: Sick Submitter. It costs $12 or $15 a month. It took a bit to figure it out, but it is not a rocket science. You can buy link packets on Sick forum, but I don’t buy them there. I am using Terry Kyle packets I mentioned. I have bought Scrapebox that works great together with Sick. Here is the fun part. I have compiled a list of forum user names people (think Angela, PJ, Terry Kyle and Tom Goodwin and others from Backlinks Forum) are using in their backlinking campaigns. So I scrape lists of forums these usernames are in. Then I put these forums in Sick to make my own profiles. I use these backlinks to my hubs thru 301 redirects like bit.ly and to buffer sites.

    Sick also has some more ‘sick’ optional capabilities you can add when you buy additional plugins (they call them scripts). Like you can put in there a list of sites with one particular blogging platform (think WP MU or ELGG), and Sick will automatically create accounts on these sites and submit spun blog posts with your backlinks included.

    Stage 4: Xrumer, Dripfeed Blasts and alike. I am not there yet. And I am not sure I will anytime soon.

    If you need any help with Sick, you can always drop me an email.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Wow man you have a real solid system in place. And that is an amazing price for outsourced work, it is hard to believe people work for that.

    I don’t know if I will return to sick or not. I have been thinking a lot about forum profile backlinks. I know that a lot of people use them almost exclusively. And I do know that they can work very well. My only concern with getting too heavy with it is that sooner or later you may just piss off too many people and actually get some people submitting spam reports.

    I know it is very unlikely that this could lead to a site getting dropped but there is a risk and it will at least result in a manual review of your sites.

    I still do forum profile links with BP but I do wonder if going down the automated route where you can get thousand at he touch of a button may just catch up with you at some point. All conjecture and probably nothing to worry about but I guess we simply have to work in a way that we feel the most comfortable.

    For me that is BMR and Postrunner and automated article directory submissions to mix it up. I guess it is the results that matter at the end if the day.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    Even if you don’t go back to sick submitter, there are so many better options for profile links than backlink Phillipines. I am about to pay a guy $50 to make me 25k profile links(yes thats twenty five thousand profiles). BP will only do 200 for that price, and you could buy sick submitter, a VPS server, 10k captcha solves, and a packet for less than that.

    Though, I guess unlike me, you have the money to not have to worry about it haha

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    This is what I am getting at though, that many forum profile links seems risky to me. Plus I have dabbled in large number of them. I have sent over 2000 to a single page via a service that uses software. And the results were nothing compared to 80 links from BP that were in high PR sites.

    But part of it is I find it difficult to get my head around all these more advanced tools. For the amount of forum profile links I feel happy having to a site then BP is worth it for me.

    Todd, come back in a week after you get those mass links and tell us the results. If they are good then I will doff my cap to you sir. The problem with such heavy backlinking like that is this:

    Lots will initially get indexed only to be taken down by admins a few days later. That never looks good to search engines.

    Many simply won’t stick to start with, and if you start down the route of mass backlinking like that then you can lose rankings quickly when you stop. If the SE’s expect you too keep getting mass links then you can get hit when you stop. This is what I have read from others experiences doing such things, not my own personal experience so it could be totally wrong.

    It will be interesting to hear the results.

    Bloody SPAMMERS 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    Haha, I assume you meant Josh not Todd.

    I think it will take longer than a week to see what the result will be because I have no intention of pinging them. I also went to this guy specifically because he has a reputation for having a really strong list of sites(thats part of the reason I am buying from him, I intend to use the list, or atleast parts of it, in sick submitter).

    Either way I will let you know.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Sorry Dude 😉

    Will be good to hear the results JOSH!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Johric, where did you find the outsourcer? Been looking around a bit, and it seems that finding someone reliable can be a bit of a battle.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I was going to ask that too. I want some of that $1 an hour action. I want someone reliable and am willing to pay more than that for someone to work for me every day. I can’t believe people work that cheap. By next Summer I want to be seriously part time.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Johric Reply:


    Actually I just realized that minimum salary in my country (I am Latvian) is $2.00 per hour. But I don’t think I will ever hire my fellow people as I know them too well 😀

    Vote -1 Vote +1Johric Reply:


    The idea is to find one reliable person, treat her well, and then hire his/her friends and family members. And expect that only one in 5 to 10 prospects (that got to one week trial) will meet your demands. So basically get 20-30 candidates, screen them until you have 5 left, and you will hire one.

    Here is how it worked for me.
    – went to bestjobs dot ph and hired first outsourcer (quite a lot of work – communicating with prospects, giving lots of paid test tasks, hiring people for one week trial, etc)
    – treated her well – timely payments, extra time off, trainings, etc
    – asked it she knows somebody who can X for salary Y. First candidate was flaky, but this girl is killing it.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Thanks. I just looked at the site. There are some amazing skills on offer. Seems the average is $250 a month. I am gonna get me a team of ten in the new year and retire! As soon as the new year is here I am definitely going to sort this out properly.

    Oooh, I can’t even imagine a life without writing postrunners and BMR’s all day. It would be amazing. Top tip Johric. You have motivated me to get more outsourcing going.

    Forgot to add that with it being tax deductible it is scarily cheap.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Johric, Thanks – good info. Is it more SEO stuff you focus on with the hired help, or do you pursue articles? I would love to churn me BMRs all day – I find their 2.50 per article a bit steep and quite slow to turn around.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Johric Reply:


    I was hiring the first person mostly for articles, so I was looking for person with good English skills and personal qualities like hard-working, fast learner, proactive, etc. Then I trained her to do backlinking, submitting RSS, and some more tasks. She already knew how to build hubs and lenses, so I just showed her my hub layouts, and she builds hubs as well.

    The second person does only backlinking at the moment, but she can be trained to do other tasks.

    BTW I suggest everybody who is considering outsourcing to check out John Jonas blog at http://www.jonasblog.com/ He has a lot of good tips there.


  84. So, December is upon us. We had a KICK ASS November with Amazon. The Wife beat me by a mile in terms of Amazon earnings so I have to beat her this month or it will be two Tiaras that I have to buy.

    Monthly goal reached and passed by many thousands so let’s hope December treats you all well. Don’t forget it is never too late to get some Christmas content up. I did 7 Squidoo’s less than two weeks ago, they haven’t made much yet but they have earned so if you have been thinking it is too late it isn’t. Build ’em and backlink ’em and then do it again. If you aren’t ranking where you want to be for your content then ramp it up until you feel sickie in the bellie.

    Give every post that is earning a little 100 backlinks and see where it gets you. If I have to write about another xxxxxx I think I will chop my head off, but it works and I will d it again and again for the next few weeks then recover by eating a Duck.

    See, the effects have already sent me a little odd feeling 😉

    Nice bank balance awaits though. Happy December Dudes and Dude Esses.

    Vote -1 Vote +1All is well Reply:

    @Dave, I got $15 adsense today and sold $50 product today on hubpages. Now i feel bit comfortable making money online. Really feels it is passive income for life once you cross the learning curve.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @All is well,

    Nice one Dude, keep at it and soon it will be better than that every day of the year.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Dave, Good stuff – congrats! I had my best month, and my first > $100 (and then my first > $200) month ever.

    Starting to get into the swing of it, getting it down to a recipe. Seem to have seen some good results from Backlinks Philippines as well, and am putting some of the earnings back into backlinks.

  85. Alright Dave, here’s where you earn your coin. I’ve been thinking about signing up for BMR and fail to see how it’s any better than Postrunner (which you finally twisted my arm about). I’m a bit of a cheapskate so when it comes to spending an extra 57/mo on top of the KWA, I just can’t pull the trigger. Can you or anyone else here convince me it’s worth it? I’m ready to eat my keyboard on the one topic I’ve been PRing about so I’m not sure if I can handle another linking tool.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Bottom line?

    It works better than Postrunner. It saves you time, no having to add tags or pick a site to submit to.

    It is very quick to use and you get better rankings for your efforts.

    I still use postrunner a lot as it is the second best thing I have tried in terms of rankings results but BMR gives better rankings for the same amount of words written.

    So there 😉

    Let’s see what other peeps say.

    Oh, and they are closed anyway. Get on the waiting list while you make your mind up.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tara Reply:


    Hey Reed,

    I had both BMR and TKA until a few days ago and then I decided to get rid of TKA because I had not done any Postrunners since I started using BMR about 2 months ago. I’m trying to cut costs, hence getting rid of what wasn’t used. Postrunner is good and when scaling up and outsourcing, I would get that as well…but I am not there yet.

    BMR is really quick, no tags, no nightmare site owners.
    One site kept rejecting my article over and over saying they were spun – when they weren’t. I wrote them all myself. This was the only rogue site owner, the rest were fine BUT sometimes when I checked my live articles, the site owners would have put up to 3 of their links and well above mine.

    Looking back, it is more time consuming than BMR and, really, BMR just seems to give me RESULTS.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Tara, How much are you guys paying for BMR? Turns out I’ve got a free account with them that I can convert to the full scale membership anytime I want.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Wishal, I’ve got that option as well. The problem with it is that it costs $120/month instead of $60/month, so I’m on the waiting list for the membership reopen too.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Craig, Hmm… Everyone I am talking to keeps telling me it is going to be $129/mo. after the memberships open again. Do they have a limit on how many articles you can post?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Wishal, My impression from everybody’s comments here is that there’s no monthly limit on posts. I think they keep things manageable by not allowing spinning (although of course the old adage that well-spun is indistinguishable from non-spun applies), having to approve domains, and of course closing membership when they have to.

    Who are you talking to? How do they know what memberships will cost? I imagine it will be more than the $57 (I think that’s what it was?) you could get it for last time, though. After the great publicity they’ve had they’ll probably push it up to $80/$90 a month if you sign up within the ten days, and $150 a month if you don’t (although if they use the same system then you’ll just be able to sign up under a different email address and pay the smaller fee anyway).

    These are just guesstimates, of course, but I’d definitely bet on the price going up.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:


    I heard from John at BMR at backlinks forum that they might open up again in 2 or 3 weeks, but wouldn’t give a firm yes or no. That was there initial plan, but can change anytime.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Reed, I haven’t used Postrunner, partly because I did not like the idea of being at the mercy of a load of cowboy blog owners. BMR is a professional setup, and the 150 article word count is a god send – allows you x2 the links of other services with the same effort.

    They have a CSV upload feature, which allows me to churn out 10-20 posts on the way home and upload them and then just let BMR do the work. Well worth the cash, and pretty inexpensive for what you get.

  86. am new to wordpress,cos i have always used blogspot.on blogspot am able to link my post titles to the main term or keyword am targetting.please anyone how can i achieve this with wordpress.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @kindit, Not sure entirely what you mean here. Both Blogspot and WordPress default to linking the post title to that same post.

  87. Only thing I’d be concerned with about relying exclusively on BMR is that there’s a possibility that the network will be discovered and all links devalued. That’s probably not likely – and they seem to care about preserving things far more than, e.g. Linkvana did – but it’s possible. Paranoid cat says diversifying backlink sources is good!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:


    That’s why link diversification is crucial. Make sure you get links from all over. Yes, even shitty article directories. Have a press release done that goes viral with an easy several hundred to thousands of links all over the place. Relying solely on one method is not a good long term strategy.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It is why I keep Postrunner and use it, even though it pains me after using BMR.

    You must have a diverse link profile. Get comments, no follow links with your name, keyword luv comments, forum profiles, blast out some article backlinks, Hubs, Infobarrel etc. Gotta mix it up even though it takes linger than using BMR.

  88. Not even close, BMR is so far superior it is night and day. Much easier to use, faster, and better results.

    Just use it for a month….if you can’t or won’t spend an extra $59 for just one month to see what it is like…well then….good luck.

  89. Hi All have not been reading and posting as much. Im in the holiday work mode to. Just some quick tips I wanted to share.

    I have started only posting products that at least 50% or more people purchased after viewing the product and posting a video review in my product post as well after I do a short written review. I also post the big red guarantee low price button that Dave has share under that video. So far the last several post i have done like this have had 100% conversations after the first visit. have not started getting alot of traffic but it is a big difference have made more last 2 days than I did entire month last month which was slow.

    also just came across this site http://backlinksafe.com/ maybe this will provide more sources for backlinks. i have not looked into much yet.

    Thanks again Dave for so much great information. You are a God send.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Dee@ Prayer Shawl,

    That is a very good tip. Look on Amazon and see how many people bought the product after looking at it, it should certainly help pick the winners.

    And you can’t beat that as a conversion rate. The buttons do work well, I have increased conversions too since I got around to adding one on a site. That site looks interesting Dee, I came across it before but never looked, will delve in to it a bit.

    Take care Dee

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Dee@ Prayer Shawl, That’s an excellent tip. I’ve never consciously thought about the “x% purchase…” figures of products I’ve promoted, but it’s definitely good to look at.

    Video reviews are something I’ve been considering recently too. Chris Rempel just released a bunch of video reviews which show the process of buying an ebook (Clickbank) and then scrolling through it – with most of the details blurred out – talking about what you get. He says they convert amazingly well, and I can easily believe that.

    Are you actually buying the products you review and showing them in the videos, or just talking to camera about them?

  90. Holy crap Dave, I don’t have internet access for a week and come back to see you have 109 new comments I need to read – and your site is all new and shiny. Man – one whole week without the web and the whole world changes …

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    A whole week without Internet? Bad timing I guess with the Chrimbo rush. Everyone seems pretty hyped up which is good, must be the smell of money in the air.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Dave, We moved house so that’s why but yeah, I was struggling without the internet. Took the time to just write heaps of BMR articles. Got to upload them all today.

    But all good now. And got my own little office nook – maybe that’ll make me more productive?? Now what colour should I paint it .. hmmmm

    And it was nice to log into Amazon today to see how much stuff people bought while I was away 😉

  91. Dave, what’s your view on information websites? Have you got any other then this one and would you make more in future?

    I know this one is mainly for letting you write about something you’re more interested and a way of making money on the side, but do you think information sites (E.g. How Tos etc) are worth making if you want to make money online? Or strictly product websites to bring in the big bucks?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I do best with products, by a long shot. I think how to sites etc would do well for adsense but I have never been very good with it.

    Too much keyword research for a start.

    Products are definitely easier for me personally but it just depends what you are best at. But I bet that nearly all people who make money with adsense could do better if they had put the effort in to products or changed their content a bit. If people are paying for the clicks then they make a profit, see if someone has a good affiliate program and see if you can make more.

  92. Hi Dave,

    This is aaron, one of your earlier commenter before this place became such a noisy but colorful site. I was quiet for the past few months, doing what you have advised i.e. staying out of forums and blogs and work like a mad man.

    Well, after several months of doing so, I am so glad I followed your advice. As you might recalled, I used to earn only a couple of bucks with Amazon. However, last month alone, i nearly broke the 1k mark (you can read about my experience at my blog). This month, I also had my first over USD100 day. This thing does pay off.

    So, I am back again to harness you but with so many new fans, you might ignore me : )

    Anyway, I will definitely break the 5k mark next year with Amazon alone. After working at this for the past few months, I am very certain that this is totally doable and I have a few large sites that are going to do so well in next future.

    Speaking of which, watch out for your XXX site. I am right behind you : )

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Naughty naughty, don’t go telling about my niche!

    That is great news dude, the hard work really does pay off, no doubt about it. And getting to a hundred a day is no mean feat.

    If you work hard all year I would forget about it being 5 grand on Amazon and aim a lot higher, you will be surprised what a year can do.

    Look forward to $1000 days instead. I have now had a few, and the Wife, and we were about where yo were a year ago. You won’t believe how quickly the earnings can rise if you put in the work.

  93. I have a couple of questions that I hope some of you really smart guys and gals can help me out with.

    Here is the deal: I have a toy related website that was doing well. It is only two months old, about a month ago (on Thanksgiving night) it went from #3 on the first page of Google to NOT within the top 50 pages within 10 minutes. Needless to say this cost me thousands…if you new the toy you would probably think it cost me more than a few thousand bucks.

    So…last night out of the blue it pops up to #4 on the first page and traffic skyrockets. Today it is not within the top 50 for most keyword phrases I am after. Oh by the way, it was ranked on the first page of Google last night for nine out of my top 10 keyword phrases. Today, again, no where to be found!!! I realize the Christmas shopping season is over, especially online, but this is still driving me crazy.

    So why the incredibly WILD swings in rankings? I understand bouncing around but this is insane. What do you think?

    Now for the second question. There is a site ranked number one for my main keyword phrase for that toy. It has been there a solid two months. A really fragmented and bad site to be honest, very confusing site. But they are doing something right and being ranked number one for this keyword phrase (even with a bad site) has had to make them thousands in December.

    Here is what I do not understand. Their meta description changes every single day!! In their meta description they give a daily countdown to how many days before Christmas. Example: Only four days left before Christmas, GET such and such toy today in time for Christmas!

    How do they do that? My sites get crawled numerous times a day by Google, and the other search engines, but having done some test they do not have their meta descriptions change every day. Anyone have an idea how to do that? It would be really handy for a situation like Christmas to have this.

    Any help appreciated.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    My thoughts and let’s see what others say.

    You are going after a competitive toy, I don’t doubt it. I have sites that rank like a dream for many items but once in a while I write about something and rank really well.

    Then a few days later I plummet, then I am back, then page 2 etc. Some items that are popular simply will not rank well, it seems that get classified in the algo as only for the big boys, although some crap sites and EMD’s always seem to fall through the gaps and rank.

    It is just the way it is.

    But for you it is because the site is new. Me and the Wife both have sites that would have made thousands over the last few months that are 5 or 6 months old. They get hundreds of visitors one day then nothing for a month at a time.

    I have a site that has had no traffic for almost a year now. It came back yesterday, it is what it is. A 2 month old site that is doing what you are saying is normal. Next year will be the year it really rocks.

    As to that meta description, maybe they are simply updating it every day or have a neat little script that I am sure people like Billy can help you out with.

    And Todd, the site that is number 1 is well ugly, and yes, you would have made thousands if it had been you there. But that item is exactly what I just talked about. It is one of those things that is tough to rank for and makes sites jump all over the place.

    A shame as that number 1 site will be losing a fortune as it looks so messy, they need a big call to action at the top.

    p.s Click on view for the source code for that site and you can see the plugins for the timer. Here is the last part of the plugins code they are using.


    Then I just types in fergcorp countdown timer to google and found it. http://andrewferguson.net/wordpress-plugins/countdown-timer/

    Don’t say I don’t put in the work for you guys 😉

    Vote -1 Vote +1Craig Reply:

    @Todd, Dave said it all, but I’ll just say that I’ve read many similar tales recently. So take solace in the fact that it’s quite normal, and nobody’s singling you out!

    If the toy is still popular next Christmas then you’ll make a killing! (And if you can figure out what’s going to be popular next Christmas, and build your sites/review pages now then you’ll have a massive head-start on all the people who’ll start building in October/November!)

  94. Thanks for the help guys…ya, frustrating. Anyway, the last few months have been the best in for me period so I am sorta happy/!!! LOL. I just wish I had started so much sooner. Next Christmas season I will be ready.

    The meta description deal still has me puzzled. I NEVER have my meta descriptions update daily by Google on any of my sites. I have tested this and tried but it is not working. This site that has done this is HIPPITY HOP MOB STOP site. (Marine Corps deal for some bad drill going on).

    Having the meta description updated like clockwork and counting down to Christmas was really eye catching on the SERP’s. I just wish I knew how to do that, and Google does crawl my site a few times a day.

    Anyway, lessons learned. If I had been on the ball I would have had sites up MUCH MUCH earlier. Christmas time is really amazing for online sales!

    To all a Merry Christmas.

  95. Hi Dave,

    found your blog through James blog.
    Nice blog you have here and thank you for all the great info you are providing us.

    BTW, I’m from Brazil in case you are still wondering where all your “guests” come from 😉

    I mainly work with english websites sinces here, in Brazil, we do not have for example Fivrr, UAW, postrunner, BMR, AMA, flippa, elance, etc etc. There are tons of tools and useful websites that would only work in enligsh, that is why my main focus now is English websites.

    I do have some websites in Portuguese as an affiliate in Subamrino.com.br (brazilian Amazon, but it is nowhere near as good as amazon) and also some adsense websites (that pays pennies but I can find keywords with a HUGE traffic and no competition, so in the end it comes down to the same earnings as a english website since a rough formula would be something like “TRAFFIC X CPC = $$”: CPC is shit here, but I can get a LOT of traffic). Submarino.com.br don’t have incremental % earnings and some other things that really annoy me. But, the good thing is that the competition here is almost zero and maybe in a few years time we’ll have a more mature market for on-line commerce (which is growing at a 40% rate here I believe). I want to make sure that I’m ready and set when that happens 😉

    Anyway, back to work,
    see ya

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Thanks for dropping by Wix, seems we are quite international here.

    All the best.

  96. Hey dave,

    i’ve been reading your blog now for about 2 months and never commented i don’t think. So this post is a good one to do so i spose.

    right now i have 45 website, about 35 have content and backlinks to them. But I (like tiffany), am one of those people who keep searching for the next greatest idea. lately ive been working on 5 different sites in the past 2 weeks. Yeah…not cool. I’m not making the money I want to be making – just enough to pay the bills and take the lady out to eat once a week. The majority of my income online comes from 4 websites.

    I have a question for you dave, what the hell should I do with the other 40ish websites I have?

    I spose I could sell them but its gonna suck to get $20 per site since they dont make much…most of them are over 1.5years old tho.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    As 2 different peeps and you will get two answers. I would knuckle in on the pages and sites that earn well and stick to them for a number of months if not years.

    Finding something that converts is the hardest part. There is nothing wrong with trying to build up the others but I would leave that until you earn a living from the 4 that make money at the moment.

    Personally I would be tempted to change any that you can to the same niche as the ones that you currently earn money from. Great for backup and you can also use them to send links.

    Either use them for links and blogrolls to your main site or sit on them for a while, as long as the domain renewal fees aren’t a problem of course.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Eric Reply:


    Yeah, I will prob keep them for a while yet. I will be working on just the ones that make me money and are worth my time. I was an idiot when i started – I have lots of very very micro niche sites. 1 of them is actually ranking really well now (just checked it the other day) – it still only makes a few bucks a month because the product im promoting isn’t a high priced item, so the amazon commission is $0.60 – $0.90…haha.

    I just hired a part time writer and link builder so hopefully once I get her trained well things will get a little better….I really like the idea of me just checking in on her work – it really takes a lot of work off me.

  97. Firstly, I’d like to thank you for creating this blog. I discovered it a few days ago linked from the Warrior forum and am amazed at the in-depth, long articles which you could probably sell in a dozen ebooks and make a lot of money. Once I start raking in the cash, I’ll be coming back to donate some well-deserved $$$ for ya’ 😛

    Anyway, I wanted to ask you a question about the broad niche market. You have convinced me, but I was wondering if there are niches simply TOO broad and TOO competitive. Like the health niche for example. Would it be prudent to create a general “health blog” with categories of sub niches and build on that, or would it be better to find a less competitive niche, but still pretty broad?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Thanks for that Scott, I just want a site that is genuine and useful, makes a change in this niche.

    I would go for something broad but we need to be realistic. A general health niche would be very tough, but then again it depends what you would tackle within in. Health meds would be tough, but still do-able. Bottom line is go what you think you make a winner and really put the work in.

    Exercise and the like could be one sub-niche that would still be broad enough to spend a lifetime on. I would always go for something that is going to give you maximum return for the work you put in.

  98. hello dave i want to remove the drop down menu named pages and categories on my theme(suffusion) do you have any idea on how it can bbe done this is the site http://allnicetoys.com/ thanks alot. i want it to look like yours please help

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It is in the theme options somewhere although not sure where. Just go through them and you will find it. There are a ton of options you should see on your dashboard bottom left for suffusion.

    I just looked and it is in main navigation bar after you go to blog features, you can choose how the menus look there.

  99. I have long worked mainly on one site, with a few on the side. The old adage that if you want something done you have to do it yourself, is true in every sense. I initially threw away money like water trying to pay someone else to get my site in shape, when it turned out I got more done on it on my own, for free!

    As for backlinks, I find that using LESS tools and more manual work produces at least as good results. nofollow vs dofollow doesn’t even seem to make a difference.

  100. Dave, you mentioned tha article marketing is dead. What the MAR and submitted that you suggest as tools to succeed?



    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Not understanding you there buddy, care to elaborate?

  101. How many BMR backlinks in a day is safe from google wrath for a new domain, about 3 – 4 months old? I do a little bit of blog comment, social Bookmarking, directory submission, article writing once in a while with this new domain. Please let me know Dave.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:



    Who the **** knows!

    Just play it safe and do a few a day for a month and see what happens. If all is good then up it, but whatever you do I can pretty much guarantee that at some point the site will take a dive for a while, they all do. But the more aggressive the more likely it is to happen, and for longer.

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