".......and unfortunately nearly all make money online blogs are crap, so he, Dave, decided to write his own. It's pretty spankin."
Dalai Lama
Feb 112011
 
  • Facebook and all its apps is easy.
  • The best quality content always rises to the top.
  • Longer content ranks better than short content.
  • You can’t rank if you use duplicate content.
  • You can’t rank a 150 word Squidoo lens for a popular term
  • Tools are not a shortcut to quick earnings.
  • Natural backlinks will come in the end if the content is good.
  • You don’t need to make your own backlinks.
  • You don’t even need backlinks to rank.
  • Lowest prices mean the most sales.
  • Build My Rank won’t make you jump a whole page in a day with 10 links.
  • Sites will rank in time with no links.
  • You don’t need keyword rich backlinks.
  • Search engines put the best content first.
  • Search engines are honest.
  • All sites only monetized with adsense are not made for adsense sites.
  • My site looks pretty so it is not made for adsense.
  • Keyword research tools are great.
  • You can’t make a living from 2 posts online.
  • You need lots of websites.
  • Blogger is worth using because it’s free.
  • Writing bullet point posts is clever.
  • Saying what you think is a clever thing to say in a bullet point list is clever.
  • You can’t make money in your first month online.
  • It is easy to find a niche that converts.
  • Most people who search online know how to use the Internet.
  • Most people understand that ads on sites are actually ads.
  • People who click on affiliate links knows know they are affiliate links.
  • You need to write in depth content for products you want a commission from.
  • Above the fold links are not needed for the best conversions.
  • A passion site will always make you money.
  • You should only write about what you have an interest in.
  • People who try to make money online have really tried hard.
  • You have tried hard to make money online but still can’t earn well.
  • You need to know more than how to write keyword rich post titles and content and how to get backlinks.
  • You need to be social to ensure your sites stay in the search engines.
  • Search engines are going to weed out the rubbish.
  • You need authority sites to make money.
  • 5 page sites won’t rank.
  • All advice does not contradict itself.
  • You need a large site to stay ranking well.
  • Forum profile links don’t work.
  • .info’s don’t rank well.
  • Domain names with – in them don’t rank well.
  • You need an exact match domain name to rank for the terms.
  • Your website title is not enough to rank for that term if you backlink inner content and not the homepage.
  • People with MMO blogs write content without thinking about how they can make money from their readers.
  • Carrying on writing a bullet point post when you can’t think of any more is a clever idea and everyone will love it.

Any more?

 Posted by at 10:53 am

  433 Responses to “Internet Marketing Lies”

  1. – The Timing is Awful To Begin an Online Business.
    – It will do things like create over 10,000 social media accounts at the push of a button!
    – Google will begin using Twitter/FB to start ranking sites.
    – People will abandon Google to search for stuff on FaceBook. My high school flukie friend is more reliable than a $200 Bn product.
    – I can earn amazing sums of money online really quick. I can quit the 9-5 within weeks!
    – My children/gf/wife will enjoy the extra time I can spend with them.
    – Build it and they will come.
    – John Chow’s “valued” subscribers.
    – The doors to this product close in 24 hours!
    – Long sales copy doesn’t convert.
    – The money is only in the list.
    – Dave is actually Shoemoney.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Wishal, Missed this gem;
    – Exact match domains don’t rank anymore.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Wishal,

    It has to be called “My Lovely Social Blog For White Socks.com”

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Wishal, “- Dave is actually Shoemoney.”

    LOL This made me laugh.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Tracey,

    Is he someone on the Internet then?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Dave, he’s the man with the (and I’m not making this up) “skills to pay the bills”. LMAO!!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Tracey,

    I had heard the name, I just don’t take any notice of the big names, I get depressed. What a line, GENIUS.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @Dave,

    He’s actually more known for holding up the $100k AdSense check, and can frequently be found pimping his wares while pimping others’ daughters. I mean that in the highest tone of respect and the fact that I have 5 daughters has nothing to do with my opinion of the matter.

    He also owns an advertising network, forget which…

    And has optimized Google’s analytics or something or other. He’s in the belly of the beast.

    I just wrote all that like anyone actually cares (or like I do – I really, really don’t).

  2. Nice one, I must say, you’ve been on top form with a post or two a week and all highly entertaining and to the point.

    So, ummmm, er……what exactly did you learn from Griz in your private little gentlemen’s club ๐Ÿ™‚

    Or will you have to kill me first?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Tara,

    Not kill, just maim ๐Ÿ˜‰ It was all just a wicked and very EVIL ploy to send me puppy pictures.

    FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER!

  3. My favourite:
    – Only 37 of these will EVER be sold! (when the sales page still says that several weeks after the launch, I assume the product is crap and no one bought it)
    Runners-up:
    – After the dust had settled, we found a couple of duplicate orders so we still have a few places left.
    – We’re only accepting 500 people because we want make sure we can fully support them.

    (I believe Shoemoney was the first person to get a Fedexed Adsense cheque – or at least the first person to take a pic of himself with it)

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Isobel,

    Mine comes with a note saying “Could Do Better”.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Dave,

    LMAO, best comment of the year man.

  4. I will be waiting for your post on how Facebook can help a person make money with a niche website like any of yours that makes money from Amazon.

    That I am interested in but I don’t think it can.

    BTW, I got Dragon Dictate and it has DOUBLED my BMR output. I can now pump out BMR’s and Postrunners with my hands tied behind my back. Its a beautiful thing and beats outsourcing IMO.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Seth,

    Now THAT will be a long wait Seth, I haven’t gone over to the dark side that much ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Wifey still says it is divorce time if she has to sit next to me for 8 listening to me say how cool white socks are. I still love my outsourcer. 10 mins a week to send her a list and by Friday she has written and submitted 150 BMR’s or 75 Postrunners. She has never had one rejected, I don’t need to do anything apart from pay her. Plus we have 3 part timers too.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Seth,

    Which version you’re using? i tried it before it makes a lot of mistakes, dunno why people find it easy to use. Have you compared using it with noise cancellation headset and normal headset?

  5. It does. Until you get all your article guys a Plantronics headset. And get a corporate license for DD. Suddenly, they write more for you and no spelling mistakes for the editor to bitch about!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Does it makes a big difference getting this headset? Is your outsourcer Asian? I ask because I can’t seem to get DD to write what I want it to write despite training it and I’m asian.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Ryan, After you select US spelling, what accent did you select? Try the Southeast Asian setting which my Filipino writer uses.

    WIth the headset as well as all the extra training there are virtually no errors in dictation though you have to train a word or two from time to time (brand names, unique expressions). Also read the manual that comes with the software because it has loads of tips on diction as well as speed. The recognition improves over time. A new writer takes about a week or so to be able to talk at a normal pace and get it all recognized.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Ryan, You can even use the cheaper Plantronics .Audio 655 headset. BTW, what computer specs are you running on?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Yea i chose the SE Asian option. Maybe my headset was lousy, don’t think it has the noise canceling function. Anyway, I got a new computer since then – it is running on 2.8 GHZ i7 and has 8 GB of RAM. It is using solid state drive too ๐Ÿ™‚ Pretty neat for a laptop

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Ryan, Wicked! I’m waiting for my new Mac with an SSD to ship as well. It should be pretty awesome because DD has a lot of HD activity going on when you’re dictating.

    Try using the iPhone microphone in a quiet room if you have one around. I should tide you over till you get a noise canceling one around. Do the extended training if you have the time. IT helps.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Just got a plantronics headset today. Its audio 480 stereo headset but its still not good. Spelling and stuff has been improved but i’m still faster typing with my 4 fingers. (not a touch typist)

    Trained it too. (Read the until the 3001 Odyssey i believe but it is still weak. I can type a lot faster if i learn to touch type. ๐Ÿ™

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Ryan, Trash the profile you are using and try making another one. Not sure what is going on here. I’ll ask one of my writers about it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Wishal,

    I’ll give it a try Wishal, thanks for the help.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Ryan, I’ve been using MacSpeech / Dragon Dictate (Mac) for a while, but I rarely type anymore. Turns out all the cool kids are using DNS 11 (Win). Which one are you using?

    The writer just sent me over a video of her dictating stuff and from the looks of it she’s doing about 130 wpm straight! I touch type myself but then I don’t push out 20K words a day.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Ryan, Also, from their manual.

    “If you do not select a specific accent (in other words, you select the Standard accent), you may want to perform Acoustic Optimization after using the product for several hours. Acoustic Optimization updates your user profile with accumulated acoustic data from any corrections and additional training you may have done. Running Acoustic Optimization will increase your overall accuracy. In the process of increasing your accuracy, Acoustic Optimization may select a different accent for you.”

    You might definitely want to give this a shot.

  6. *Kerry has actually started his IM career (like he said he would months ago)
    *Kerry has a really good excuse for not doing so

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Kerry,

    Get to it then Dude or there will be trouble ๐Ÿ˜‰

  7. If I may add another:

    Google:

    Best.

    Search Engine.

    Ever.

    (not)

    http://www.businessinsider.com/bing-more-accurate-than-google-and-gaining-share-2011-2

  8. Dave,
    In the beginning these 3 were the ones that bothered me:
    # Most people who search online know how to use the Internet.
    # Most people understand that ads on sites are actually ads.
    # People who click on affiliate links knows know they are affiliate links.

    @seth
    I was researching Dragon all day-Is it hard to learn?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Kelly, Not Seth obviously, but DD ca be trained in a couple of hours and if you get a noise canceling microphone then it’ll be easier to do it all. Kids talking around you, dogs barking, gf shouting none of it registers.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Seth Reply:

    @Kelly, All I spent was the 10 to 15 minutes “training” it to learn my voice. I have zero accent so I think that helps a lot. If you have any accent then I can’t say how well it will work for you.

    It is not hard to learn how to use it at all, at least for the basic stuff.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Kelly,

    Yeah, I see it with my Mum all the time. Even though she does Hubs and backlinks you can tell she doesn’t know when she clicks on Google ads or aff links.

  9. Some really good Points there Dave. I especially like thenew rumor I think this post has started that bullets are the key to success with both Google ranking and bank robbery.

    I’m thinking of a new eBook (which will be priced at only $96.99 (gotta end the $97 madness)). Working title?

    “Shoot your way to Page One with Real Bullets”, my co-author will be John Dillinger’s grandson, thrice removed.

    “Old” John’s motto was, “I rob banks becuase that’s where the money is”. Our modern, twenty-first century take on that is, “We fleece newbies becuase that’s where the money is.”

    Hurry and order now, becuase my hard drive only has room for 37 copies, once they are gone I’m raising the price to $9699.99 ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Dave Starr,

    Ooh, ooh, sign me up quick smart Dave Starr. I want me one of them books.

  10. Well the best joke is of course
    – Google does no evil

    closely followed by
    – Google cares about quality content

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @lissie@Online Income,

    And shall we now define quality content? Better not, we could be in for a long conversation.

    My idea of “BAD” content. A site about pink converse with titles that include “BUY” and only adsense on it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, what’s “pink converse”?? Where can I buy it? If I can spread it on toast and its sweet, I want some… ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    When it comes to spreading stuff on toast the Wife’s Lemon Curd is where it’s at.

    Um, this is getting surreal.

    Good job I just put a pot of meatballs and sauce on to simmer. I am gonna stick it on homemade pizza tonight. Yum.

    +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, Mmm albondigas… que rico…

    Funny thing happened earlier. In my haste to bang out another squid lens I totally forgot about their spam filter until it pounced on me! I thought that had been beefed up to stop people building lenses on topics they didn’t like, but …wrong!

    It let me build the lens with said “spam” title, content, ads and all before bringing the hammer down when I tried to publish it. I had to go through and overwrite every instance of the “spammy” keyword with something similar (but not) to get it past. What a pain!

    It reminded me why I stopped using squidoo ages ago when they deleted some of my perfectly legit lenses just because they were in the weight loss niche, despite my arguing they were original and well researched, which they were. Seems the failed traffic wardens that run that show are still as rigid, so a quick word of warning to anyone trying this at home… watch out what products you pick at Amazon, in case they fall into the realms of spamistry!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    Thanks for the heads up. Hasn’t happened to me yet but I will think before I squid so to speak.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Terry, Read their ToS.

    For example: It states that they aren’t allowing any acai related stuff anymore, because acai has taken on a spammy image. Hoodia is also looked down upon, I believe (as are other supplements).

    Don’t know if your squids were about this or any other supplement, but Squidoo simply doesn’t like it.

    If you’re going to ride somebody’s authority, you have to play by their rules. It’s worth checking out their ToS and steer clear of everything they don’t like.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Yeah you’re so right. I had lulled myself into a false sense of security, thinking they had put up a way to block new hubs on stuff they didn’t like, but they have not.

    By the way, it wasn’t acai or hoodia – totally different niche.

    In fact, I noticed late yesterday that although the lens got past the publish stage, it didn’t lose the grey icon and red block in the dashboard, meaning it still wasn’t totally in the clear. My problem was I’d used the product name in the URL and that contained the naughty keyword.

    I got around it by creating a new lens with exactly the same cleaned up content, ads, vids etc but used the product name minus the evil spamist keyword, deleted the old one (to avoid a dup content flag) and published. It passed and got its green icon right away. Gotta love being a cunning linguist… ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Spamist & Spamistry (I made them up – cool words, no?)

    I was not surprised to find the same exact naughty KW as one of BMR’s sub-categories.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JanisG Reply:

    @Dave,

    Thanks God I put an Amazon link or two in my pink converse site ๐Ÿ˜€ So it is no so BAD anymore, right? LOL

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @JanisG,

    You are forgiven ๐Ÿ˜‰ Just make sure you don’t do it again!

  11. Here are a few more – the “serious” one is not a pot shot at you, Dave – I owe you more than you know, my friend – but it’s true nonetheless:

    1) Facebooking your wife is not a great way to keep in touch when you’re at home. (It’s how I stay in touch – what?)

    2) 2 shots of Jameson Irish whiskey will make you type faster. (I don’t care. When my friends FACEBOOK me and tell me it’s on at Buffalo Wild Wings – I’m there.)

    3) Reading cool MMO blogs all day and never doing what you learn can change your bottom line.

    Whoops.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @JamestheJust,

    Re 3. I never read them myself. What’s MMO? ๐Ÿ˜‰

  12. Really funny comments, and an awesomely unique way of pointing out some of the dumb info in the internet marketing community!

    Dave, you’re extremely inspiring – I’m making less than $100/month right now but you’ve really convinced me that what I thought was ‘busy’ isn’t at all. I’m aiming at some Hubpages right now and backlinking them like mad, to stack up some initial cash flow, and then it’s off to the races with my own domains.

    Oh, and I think I’ll leave AdSense alone for awhile ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I’ll be in touch, both here and on Facebook, seeing as we’re friends through our IM buddies haha

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Philip,

    Just a matter of scale. The first dollar is the tough bit ๐Ÿ˜‰ Hubs are definitely a quick way to get some initial cash, and Squidoo too, although it’s not so good for adsense.

    You will be at a grand a month before you know it if you put the work in. Just concentrate on anything that earns and really go to town on it and don’t spread yourself too thin, it’s still a mistake I get into now. So many niches and so little time to dominate them all ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Shaun L Reply:

    @Dave,
    Exactly, spreading yourself too think is something I used to struggle with. I’ve cut down on sites i’m working on now, and only focusing on a handful. Is hard though, found two more potentially profitable niches this month which i’ve had to stop myself building sites for lol.

  13. Man this blog is like smoking weed. Once you get a taste of it you can’t stop. I find myself coming to this blog a few times in a day, its like the water cooler for IMers or something lol

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Ryan,

    Wait until you start dreaming about it, then there will be no hope left.

    I will sneak in to your subconscious and say:

    “Stop smoking weed Ryan, it makes you have weird dreams about IM blogs” ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, The more you make, the more euphoric you become Dave.

    My 1 Squid is pumping out a few sales every now and then with only 25 visitors per day.

    A nice layout really helps for getting people to click.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Hey, that’s great news you’re getting sales from the squid! Its a nice feeling when that starts happening, ain’t it! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Terry, Yes, but the revenue is too small at the mo.

    I’m setting up a whole bunch of Squids about products in price ranges of $80 – $500 and over.

    I will see with my own eyes what yields the most profit.

    One more question came to mind.

    When I’m backlinking my Squids for various buying keywords that I simply make up, then I’m not targeting any specific keyword for ranking anymore.

    So what will I end up ranking for?

    Looks like you just gotta check for what keywords you get traffic, and then rank higher for the ones where you’re not already at the top.

    Is it really possible to keep on backlinking a Squid with that strategy and end up with 200 visitors per day to that Squid?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Blackthorne, “When Iโ€™m backlinking my Squids for various buying keywords that I simply make up, then Iโ€™m not targeting any specific keyword for ranking anymore.

    So what will I end up ranking for?”

    The buying KWs will contain the product name too and G is pretty good a figuring out what you are linking to, so you will get ranking for the product name as well, although it takes a little longer.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Terry, Yeah I understand that.

    But the central issue that occupies my mind is…

    Can you keep on linkbuilding with varied keywords and bring any Squid to a minimum of 200 visitors per day?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Blackthorne, I have done that with a few lenses, but with others I try the same thing and they don’t move. Its frustrating but all part of this crazy game we play.

    I think that to know how a lens will do in a niche with any backlinking strategy you would have to be Matt Cutts. Otherwise the rest of us are just pissing in the wind. Some of it hits the target while most of it just sprays all over the place LMAO!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Terry, Then the next question would automatically be about how many lenses to build and how many backlinks to send’em.

    I have the feeling that, when I have 20 lenses, I have plenty to backlink for a whole month or two.

    That’s the time you need to find out which ones have potential, isn’t that right?

    +3 Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Blackthorne, There’s really no set number I can give you because every time I start a lens and start backlinking, different things happen.

    I have a few that ranked quite fast, within 2 weeks and only moderate backlinking ie 10 straight off then 1-2 a day some days I missed out others I might send 3. Niches were all different and based on Amazon products – not all best sellers either – some I just liked the look of.

    I have many more that didn’t rank before a month or longer, some I lost interest with and stopped backlinking and they either dived or surprised me and ranked first page for no good reason. Others I kept on with and had mixed results.

    One I’m pushing quite hard at right now I started before Christmas with a post on 3 different sites of mine plus a lens and a hub. One site ranked first because it has lots of authority but the lens and the hub both ranked just behind it in a few days – they both got the 10 link headstart then drip fed 2 links a day. The sites only had 1-2 links a day because I didn’t want to sandbox them. As of now, the lens outranks all of them for some keywords, whereas the hub sits highest (mid page1) for just the product name, and my main site sits mid page 1 for a good buying KW that it gets a surprising amount of traffic for (15-20 a day) and it converts well. The product is not an Amazon bestseller, either!

    So really, there is no real solid answer to your question – it just comes down to some luck with the niche and a lot of work in backlinking every time. There will be plenty of total failures – I have more of them than anything. Some successes that should have never been and others that fit the pattern more closely.

    One other thing. I have some lenses that I built 3 years ago before I had a clue what I was doing. They are not keyword researched or even about any products. Just a load of info on subjects that I knew about. I really didn’t know what I was doing. I only linked them together, no extrernal links at all and used them to link out to some of my early websites that were also un-keyword optimized in every sense and never made much money.

    In these last few weeks I have revisited some of them to see how I can use them. I have sent some links to two of them that I could see potential for pushing affiliate products. One of them that was languishing on page 20 for its main KW jumped to low page 1 the day after the first link I sent it was indexed by G. The other one, which is in a competitive niche moved on to page 2 after about 10 links indexed, although neither has made a sale yet. If I don’t get sales, it won’t be for nothing because it caused their squid rank to shoot up thanks to the sudden increase in traffic, which will convert to a bigger payout from their revenue share.

    …not a bad ton of writing on one cup of coffee…!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dean Reply:

    @Terry,
    Thanks for this info Terry, it’s really helpful! I read recently on another page’s comment that linking a 2.0 page like hubpages or squidoo with loads of other 2.0s cause the site to sink in rankings, has this been your experience at all?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    Wow, bet you have had a few more cups by now Terry, that was a blog post in its own right.

    Sweet. BTW I have changed peeps with blogs to DF once you click on your name and go to the comment page. Just don’t tell anyone or I may start getting comments from “Make Money Online” and then it will have to go NF again.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Terry, Thanks Terry.

    I’m also seeing some traffic to 1 of the handful of Squids I’ve made.

    You gotta promote what’s working!

    By the end of this day, I’ll have 19 Squids. I’m gonna make it 20 tomorrow and then focus on backlinking.

    Whatever quickly gets the most traffic, will get the most links.

    I smell blood and I wanna sell some expensive stuff.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Terry, Mmm, this comment nesting thing can get out of hand – I ran out of levels lol!

    @Dean – I don’t tend to interlink too many web2.0 properties so I can’t say if it causes any drop in ranking. Probably not as the more links the better. When I said I interlinked the lenses, I meant between squid lenses, not any external web2.0 – just to make that clear.

    @Dave – Cool. I might have to change the site in the url field… either that or figure out a way to use thehonestway to sell some other stuff. Mmm, another project (like I need more lol)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    Yeah, now it is DF you get a link that is the only external DF on the page. Better than just hundreds of external links all in the comments section. Plus no one else knows as there are no comment luv keywords etc for peeps to search for and spam the site.

    Um, bugger.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Terry, PS: I could write all that with the time I saved by NOT wasting it on Facebook LMAO… ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Look who finally came around! Now its just about the churn.

    What’s your layout like? Mine’s:

    Buy now! text CTA
    Squidutils banner
    Benefits/Features/Filler
    Read reviews CTA

    with Tracy’s awesome squidutils banner in the lens description trick.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Pretty close to mine too. I also add the smaller squidutuls banner in the top right about the author bio bit.

    Also, same as on Hubs, the amazon listings box actually bring in more traffic for longtails too. Just got to weigh it up with the possible loss of revenue.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, The bio one is the one I missed. Should put something in there. Too bad it can only be static links? I wonder if you can have different bio’s for different lens.

    BTW, you’re still using the Amazon listings box for your new hubs? I thought you’d eliminated them altogether.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Just go to edit the lens then in the bio section just click custom bio. Then make a small squidutils banner. Stick the code in making sure that your bio text is just 1 line or so. Then the banner is there, top right above the fold and looks great.

    I still use the Amazon listings further down in content. You get longtails and the reality is that the number of sales often increases, even with the revenue share. I just try it on some, mainly Hubs, as they don’t have anything as cool as the squidutils banner option.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, Will give it a go.

    I’ve been experimenting a lot with Hubs lately and including social proof like customer testimonials seems to improve CTRs. Sucks that hubs get a low score/dupe penalties because of it. Any ideas on how to get around that?

    Next thing on the menu is to go ahead and see if using the same CTA in both the places does anything for CTRs. Have you tried that out?

    I’m used to testing conversions on the fly but all my hubs combined get like 5K visitors a day combined. Makes it a bit tough.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Um, make em up? Nah, can’t you just summarize the reviews? To be honest I am not making many new Hubs, I hate their donowewilllchangeatanymomentfollow business.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, Damn I’m stupid sometimes. That seems like a good way to go about the reviews! Thanks a lot for all the advice. I’ll send a mail in a week or so with some รผber converting CTAs for Hubs if I get enough traffic by then.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Peewee Reply:

    @Wishal,
    Guys, newbie question from the back of the classroom. What’s a CTA?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tara Reply:

    @Wishal,

    “Iโ€™m used to testing conversions on the fly but all my hubs combined get like 5K visitors a day combined. Makes it a bit tough.”

    Wishal how many visitors would you say you need to get before you can test a hub or a squid vs a website page?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Tara, That was specifically with regards to testing CTAs since I’ve got over 150 CTAs in there to test. No Dave, I haven’t gone crazy. Atleast none of you can prove it.

    They’re mostly variations on the same theme but let me just say “click hereโ€ฆ” works a lot better than “buyโ€ฆ”. And I’m not sure of it but I may have found something that works even better than “click hereโ€ฆ”. Anyone who’s sold stuff that comes with plans/pricing will know what I am going on about. But I need more traffic to make the results more conclusive and I am not sure if I want to buy traffic to my hubpages because that might mess up the test a bit.

    Otherwise, I wouldn’t go work on a hub if it had over 1K visitors and hadn’t made a sale. As for websites, well it is a tad bit more complicated than that because there is a lot of MVT that is going on there and simple A/B testing just doesn’t cut it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tara Reply:

    @Wishal, Thanks Wishal, detailed reply. I think you lost me again with the multi variate testing and A/B testing….I don’t have the traffic levels to do that kind of stuff yet.
    I know Dave’s been going on and on and on about it but I haven’t even gotten around to doing any Squids yet, ever. Blackthorne’s post has given me the kick I needed to get on with those squids.

    When you say with websites it is a bit more complicated……what daily traffic levels would you feel you had to get to before you even started looking at testing and conversions?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, You can put a banner in the lens description?

    Gotta read up on that.

    My layout is a bunch of capsules with buying keywords. I use Amazon/BigArrow/SquidUtilPoster in between them.

    And links at the top.

  14. @Peewee

    Call To Action.
    I’m a sucker for acronyms on Mondays.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Peewee Reply:

    @Wishal, Thanks man. dang newbies. I shoulda known that one….

  15. I’m late to the thread but I didn’t see this one:

    – No one can make any money just from building websites!

    This was a direct quote form my son, even after I showed him the $1000’s I earned on Amazon the past few months!! Now suddenly he wants the new Kyocera Echo – and is BEGGING me to show him how to make extra $$ on the web… sheesh!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @SueC,

    Haha now you can direct him here!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @SueC,

    Man, I would love to have been shown this game when I was a youngster. I would definitely be a multi millionaire by now. Sadly there wasn’t an Internet for me until I was in my twenties.

    Urgle!

    I feel old. Your Son could be rich in a few years if he put the work in. Tell him to pop in and say hi and I will sell him my ultimate guide for kids making money online ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I bet there is one too.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Dave,

    I wish i skipped college and went head into the adsense golden age…i would be so rich by now….lol

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Ryan, I’ve just quit college a year back and gone full steam into the IM game. Still a noob at hubs/amazon/squidsโ€ฆ The golden age’s all grown up now and look at how much the bloody thing glitters!

    Enough to make IMers work 16 hours a day so they can make money while they sleep!

  16. Hi, just wondering if you’d noticed a decline in the effectiveness of BMR since the Feb 7th G update? I’ve had a few sites drop in rankings, but don’t have enough data to work out what’s causing it. Would be interested to hear whether any of your sties have been affected – specifically the ones that have used BMR heavily.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Alex,

    Still nothing but good here. Everything is as it should be and I haven’t noticed any rankings drops and BMR is still boosting my stuff big styley. Let’s see if anyone else has had different problems.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Alex, No ranking drops to report here either. All the PR stuff I’m pushing using BMR is holding its own. Ditto for the Squids/Hubs – They’re rising as expected.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Alex,

    I just tried BMR two weeks ago. I have about 275 articles live and I have seen boost in rankings. Actually I don’t check my rankings, I had a boost in earnings. lol

    Vote -1 Vote +1Max Reply:

    @Ryan et al, My main authority site in a semi-competitive to competitive niche has dropped 1 to 5 places for most of its money words. Similar thing has been reported lots elsewhere with people’s sites.

    This site has a lot links from BMR/PR and Article Ranks.

    However, some of my other sites have not budged with similar linking patterns.

    Time will tell whats going on…

  17. You need a forum.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Seth,

    Wanna run it and install it?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Max Reply:

    @Dave, I actually like the streaming comments after a post. Its a bit like having a lesson and then an open conversation at the end.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Max,

    Gives the kids a chance to play ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Max, it also pads out the (original) word count of the post, which Google totally loves as it counts them all as part of the physical page. An example:

    I have a product review post on one of my blogs that on its own was just over 2k words but with comments, it now totals over 40k words!

    It sits at #1 for its main KW, gets 400+ uniques a day and that keeps new comments a’coming. Its up to 260 already and growing… and some people really like to write a lot about the product!

    Needless to say, that page sells rather a lot of the product… ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Terry,

    100% agree. You don’t need 150 word essays to rank in Google. People will provide the content and make you money ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    Wish all my bloody comment content got me some search love. I think I will just try to rank for URGLE and fishing spackle and leave it at that.

    EDIT: Bugger, urgle.com has gone. But I checked the urban dictionary and I now at least know what to say when I am writing BMR’s:

    URGLEGURK

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, hehe it wasn’t the comment content that got that page search love. That would never happen in that niche.

    Nope, it was a solid year long battle with tough competition including EMDs to get to the top – several 100s of links to outrank them.

    The comment content started slow as I climbed up page 1 but grew fast once I hit the top.

  18. Hi All,

    I just gonna put it out here! A thought to ponder.

    I have been sitting on my desk researching certain things on BMR etc. As far as I can these are pretty much MFA sites. Made for Adsense, Made for Affiliate Marketing whatever

    I am in a spot of bother here…do I join the club and pump crap into sewers or continue on my way and ignore what everyone is doing. Having built many established sites and getting caned by these techniques like this is a real concern to me.

    Anyhow it is just the nature of this game. No blame no nothing. Just the way it is. But what concerns me most, is an update will come and some people will get wiped out. It is a question of when. Many of the marketers who have been around, probably have establish authority and long term sites so any update will not wipe them out.

    However the ones just catching the ride, if you are going to use BMR etc. and continue practise this method, DONT throw everything into one basket. Make sure you can afford to lose these if SCROOGLE wakes up and find the trail like I just have you are GONE.

    If I was attempt this sewer stuff I would hide everything from my established sites.
    1. Multiple New Hosting Account
    2. Throw Away Domain Names, Dont care if I lose them
    3. Spam the crap with BMR, AMR whatever ๐Ÿ˜‰
    4. New Email accounts
    5. Dont use Google Analytics – use statcounter or some other free
    Hopefully make loads of dosh on the way before been wiped out. Hopefully some will get missed but then again i might build 100 of these and get wiped tomorrow!

    Anyhow just remember to continue to build long term sites, ones that will last.

    Anyhow I still comtemplating this as I see some of revenue deterioating and stay the same and risk getting wiped out like Borders! or do I join the club and make spare dosh and wait for the next cleanse so that my other sites will rise again lol.

    Anyhow … I love that word!

    Sorry for been a pessimist but that is the story right now.

    Dont hate me…just putting it out there!

    MKT

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @mkt, I agree. For my sites I only use BMR to prop up links I have everywhere else โ€” mostly PR as well as guest posts. Dave’s said the same thing a number of times, and he’s even put up a blog post or 2 about the issue.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Where did I ever say that?

    I have just said that it is up to you where you send the BMR links. I use them direct to money sites every day.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Dave,

    Thanks for the reply, i was about to ask where to read that article cuz i am sending links direct from BMR

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, I was talking about the bit about the whole links game blowing up later on, not BMR specifically. BMRs might get devalued, Links profiles may go into limbo, Google might start using click data again รฉt al.

    The bit about playing it safe, keeping things in check and being comfy with the fact that what works today may not work a month, a week or a year from now.

    Now everybody, smile wide!

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Ultimately Wishal, this aint a game for me anymore.

    I given up my career to work on this full time and ultimately need this to work. Especially given up a 6 figure job but I guess I fear if I dont change my current model, my “sites” just cannot compete!

    I already seen one site getting smashed by this type of SEO. Fortunately it ranks for over 4K of terms! So it is difficult for it completely kill it but … matter of time it will deminish.

    This my deleamor right now…but to play it safe I am gonna follow 2 strategies. Hopefully it is viable.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @mkt,

    You been drinking or is this a bad spelling imposter?

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Dave,

    I only had a few cocktails with my Wife…lol

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @mkt,

    Mr. Grumpy today aren’t we?

    You make some good points mkt. But I am still of the firm opinion that these links will not hurt your sites. At most if networks are de-valued then then the links won’t count.

    For now they count in spades and are super effective. I would never say to just use BMR for your rankings though. I use them lots for satellite sites around main niches but for main authority sites I mix in links from lots of other places too.

    Of course, it is each to their own and you have to do what you feel is right. Me? I am making the money while I can and doing it as efficiently as I can in my slightly scatterbrain approach.

    Slow and steady will get you there too, and may be the best thing, it depends on your personality and how you feel about even linking in the first place.

    But my main reply is never rely on only getting links from one source.

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Dave,
    Yeah just a bit grumpy!

    Just getting frustrated with to do or not to do.

    Just thinking what is best way to waste my time on. Build long term sites or build crappy MFA sites and BMR spin crapped. ๐Ÿ˜‰ Decision decision.

    Just a little game I been playing in my head. I needed to vent some of my thoughts. I guess I am fighting whether I am a purist or a marketer. Do I lie and BS my way to riches or do I just build it and they will come (Fields of Dreams).

    I think next month I am gonna sh!t on the sewers and see what sticks!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @mkt,

    I know it is tough. But I have good authority and proper long terms sites that I still use BMR on. Just mixed up with lots of other great links too. But BMR is not spun, you have to write every one manually. It keeps the network under control and not too busy.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Dave,

    If people can get away with comment and profile spam all the time I see no reason why google would bother with BMR.

    They have bigger fish to fry. Just mix up your links.

  19. bluuuurghh….

    I write BMR articles until I am sick lol…now i understand why u keep on making that weird vomiting sound dave.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Ryan,

    Ah, you must mean…………….

    URGLE!

  20. Had a question about BMR for anyone that uses it, is it possible to change up the five sites you use like say every month? As I don’t want to keep pumping the same 5 sites with BMR every month, I’d rather send them to five sites one month then to another five sites another month (And diversify the links in the month off). Don’t ideally want to pay for the 10 website package when I’ll only be linking five sites a month…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Shaun L,

    Simples. Load all your sites in there and then you just archive all but the 5 you want active. Let the links go live then archive them in the projects settings and set other sites to be un-archived.

    You could also add the same site in 5 times as 5 projects if you want to go bonkers for a day and hit it with lots a links.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Dave,

    Yea i mean URGLE haha
    it sounds more like wine vomit tho

    Vote -1 Vote +1Shaun L Reply:

    @Dave, Cool, thanks a lot uncle D.

  21. To all that have talked to me:

    Thanks for the great feedback on my obsession with numbers and the way that I look at things. It made me decide to stop whining like a little bitch and just get some Squids up and link’em up as well.

    Now I have another question.

    If I write a couple of dozen of Squids and I have my writer backlink’em at the rate of 35 per day, then what results can I realistically expect before the first half year of 2011 is over?

    It is my aim to increase my current 750 euro monthly income so that my total income goes beyond 2000 euros per month.

    I want to achieve this before the end of June 2011.

    Is it feasible?

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Blackthorne,
    Just do it and see if it is possible.

    Thats what I am doing! I even gonna start a bloody blog about it. Thats right I decided to do it but use it as part of my “SEO Research” and continue my old style of website building!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @mkt, I don’t just want to ‘see if it is possible’.

    I want to DO IT.

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    then just DO IT.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    What mkt said. If you want the money then just do it. You have 4 months so it is entirely feasible.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, I AM gonna do it.

    But right now, I gotta get over yet another lost site.

    My first sweatshirt site (50 posts, 100s backlinks) was down the drain after a backlink philly blast for good. Went from 100 to 20 visitors per day.

    My second sweatshirt site (100 posts, 100s backlinks) recently had 5000 xrumers done to it. It’s down the fucking drain and not getting anymore traffic now. I’m at position 400 in the serps now.

    I’m not gonna fool myself into thinking this site will come back higher. It won’t. It’s fucking gone.

    I’m focussing on squidoos only.

    After all… G doesn’t know those squidoos are actually ME!

    I haven’t seen any traffic on my squidoos today either, but that won’t stop me.

    Fuck you Google. Fuck you for all your worth. Your continuous efforts to destroy me and hold me back will only work against you in the long run.

    I will blast you with spammy money pages relentlessly just as long until you buckle under the pressure.

    You will give me what I want, Google. And if you do not, I will strangle your ass.

    While YOU are fighting to save your measly shitty index, *I* am fighting for my life and happiness.

    So just fucken’ try and stop me now.

    +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    STOP SWEARING. That goes for everyone. I am not a prude but there is no need to constantly use bad language. If I have to go back to moderating all comments then I will.

    The odd word is one thing but Blackthorne that is too much and I won’t have it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Sorry about the lots of dirty words in that post, but I don’t do that at all that often.

    It’s frustrating to run out of options.

    I’ve tried expanding on a site that was making some cash and it failed.

    I’ve tried building authority sites from scratch and it failed.

    Now I’m going to try to piggyback on Squidoo’s authority. If this fails, then what options do I have left?

    I’m already not getting results as quick as some others (Terry, 2 weeks). It’s not looking good and I’m just not happy.

    Wish me luck in the coming months doing Squidoo.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    I wish everyone all the luck in the world Dude, I know this game is hard.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Thanks Dave.

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Blackthorne the most important thing in this game is patience.

    It took me 4.5 years for one my sites to dominate the niche! Thats right 4.5 years. I am not saying everything takes 4.5 years but using it as an example.

    Just like Thomas Edison, it took him 1000s of failure to create the light bulb. Did he think he was wasting his time? Nope he just learnt that this method doesnt work and kept at it until it happen.

    I honestly think you will get there mate and you are actually doing the work. You are the 1% of people who read all this stuff and act on it. The rest will never act on it.

    Good luck
    Stay Chill

    Worse case scenario is get a job ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I had heaps of failures, built one site that took 6 months to build…after 2 years it made a total of 2$. I then killed it and put it on google adsense for domain and in 2 weeks it made 20$ … so you know sometimes it stick and sometimes it doesnt. Did I waste my time, nope, I just know that I should not compete in that niche as I didnt have the resources to dominate.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tara Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    I’ve been following your roller coaster ride and feel I am on the same ride. I agree with a lot of your posts and feel the same pain! I have only now started doing the Squids and that was because of your posts last week….I’ve followed Dave’s blog for months now. Tried his $1000 in a Month trial and failed miserably (and I know why now, wrong keyword research plus I didn’t work half as hard as he recommended – so I guess my results were predictable).

    Like you, the pressure to earn is huge. Massive. But, I took on a job to get income as I knew it wasn’t going to come from IM any time soon. So, that pressure is off slightly and I can get outsourcers to do some of the tasks I don’t have the time to do. And, apart from that, I’ve tried to become more disciplined with my time and not being too stubborn with those stinker sites that I think SHOULD work, and have moved on to testing other products.

    Good luck and I am sure we will break through to the other side sometime.

    Anyway, you are not alone ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Tara, I also do part time work for a client to keep my head above water.

    I got cash o’ plenty.

    It just ain’t coming from the Internet and I won’t stop until it does.

    Vote -1 Vote +1teatree Reply:

    @Blackthorne, The key to your woes is “backlink philly blast” and “5000 xrumers”.

    I think because you have a programming background, you keep looking for automated solutions. The problem with automation is that it leaves footprints, and eventually Google goes after the footprint.

    Dave has said many times on this blog that when he started he typed his fingers to the bone writing unique articles for Ezine, articles dashboard and others, and now he types his fingers to the bone writing unique articles for BMR. What does that tell you?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @teatree, Word.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @teatree, I do a lot of BMR myself as well.

    I outsource it, ofcourse. But a batch of BMR snippets is a batch of BMR snippets. Don’t have to actually WRITE’em myself. If I pay for’em, they’re equally as good.

    B’sides… I tried backlink philly cuz Dave recommended it.

    I typed my fingers to the bone for my first sweatshirt site. It’s getting squat in terms of traffic.

    Effort does not necessarily lead to results.

    Vote -1 Vote +1teatree Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Reading back, I was a bit blunt, and I’m sorry. It’s just that after a few years it’s like groundhog day, with people trusting various scripts, tools and methods only to come a cropper, bans, xrumer etc etc, and feeling all depressed and bewildered. The blackhatters say they know in advance that they will lose their sites as google’s megabot catches up with all the footprints they leave, and they don’t mind, but I don’t believe a word of it. It must be utterly exhausting having to start over, year after year.

    As far as I can tell there is only one rule in IM – which is don’t leave a footprint. You can get all sorts of links, and set up your site any way you like, and prosper, as long as it doesn’t leave a footprint. That applies to themes, layouts, links, keywords, plugins, everything. If you see a herd of people doing something, you can bet G has seen them too and is plotting how to take them down – so make sure your stuff and your links look nothing like theirs.

    I’m pretty sure that the reason Dave’s authority Amazon sites are successful is that he built them at a time when the herd were doing x factor sites. If ever large Amazon sites become the fashionable thing, it’s time to switch to something else, unless your site has aged and has earned authority. There’s been several ebooks touted on the WF on Amazon lately haven’t there, so perhaps now is the time to plunge back into Adsense!

    Effort does pay off – as long as you don’t sabotage yourself.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @teatree,

    I began trying to boost some old adsense stuff last week, Man, it has been a loooooong time.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @teatree, I didn’t think you were blunt at all. No need to apologize.

    It may be true that Dave built his sites at a good time. But despite the fact that everybody seems to think Dave’s sites are all about Amazon, Dave himself frequently states that Amazon is not his biggest earner.

    I already tried expanding on my adsense, and the revenue dropped unfortunately.

    I think I’ll seek out some lesser known, higher commission paying affiliate programs and get on board of those.

    I’m sick and tired of Amazon’s crappy revshare anyway.

  22. I have a question to those who have a lot of experience with authority site.
    i have a site that i am trying to rank for ages now but its super hard to rank any keywords. I am definitely still indexed but I am not sure whether i am sandboxed or not. You see, every keyword i am trying to rank is at page 60. Not every single one of them maybe but the ones i check.
    I blast as many BMR at it as i can with no result.

    Contrast this with a sniper site of mine. it has exactly one page and targeting the same keyword. it ranked at page 4. What gives?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:

    @Ryan,
    I have the same problem. I have two sites that are exactly the same, they have more pages, longer articles. Most of the posts are stuck between pages 40 and 60, they just do not shift.

    But I have a smaller site, that I had neglected for a while, same age, with EMD, shorter articles, slower to load just a thinner site really. Now this ranks for the EMD keyword, it took a little effort, but it also ranks for most of the other keywords I have written articles for. It just does well, I don’t get it and it is really frustrating. Taking into account what google does and doesn’t like, this site should not do well, but it does.

    I know everyone will think well it’s a EMD, but that does not explain why all the other posts rank well. They do not have that many backlinks.

    All the sites are about 3 years old, so age does not explain it either.

    So at the moment I am building hubs and squids for the stuff on my sites that do not rank, while continuing to backlink my sites in the hope that this will eventually tip the balance and get them moving. Unfortunately there are not enough hours in the day, I am hoping that the extra income the hubs etc bring in will mean I can start to outsource, something I have not done before.

    It has taken a while, but I now feel I have a plan of action. Which is fine as long as google still likes hubs and BMR still works. I wish I could just concentrate on my own sites, but as Dave says you have to do what works now.

    I have also started to work more on the site that does do well, and I am going to add more pages to this. Just going to take it steady though, don’t want to upset it, I have had my best month on Amazon so far thanks to this site and my hubs and squids.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Ryan,

    Sometimes sites are just loved more than others. Make sure you link to it from a number of sources and if all you have snet are “good links” throw in loads of “bad links”. Click here, cool site, straight url links etc.

    Then pray to the G God.

  23. Hi Dave, I had a request post if you’re up for the challenge ๐Ÿ™‚

    Any chance you could do a post about setting up support sites for your network? Info like how many satellite sites needed, if need to put them on dif ip addresses, how much time you dedicate to them in comparison to your money sites, if you monitize them, their main use (Backlinks to your money sites, to index other backlinks?), if you should do them on random topics or ones related to your niche (And if to your niche how many surrounding sites for each money site), etc.

    This is one thing I want to start doing but haven’t come across any good documentation on the subject. You could always leave the answers in the comments if you want / have the time (A lot of questions, I know lol) But your readers would probably benefit from this post and it’ll prob get you a lot of new readers if you advertise the post on forums etc.

    Even if you don’t end up writing the post i’m still going to give it a go and see what happens, but would be nice to have some guidance from a seasoned vet like you uncle D ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Shaun L,

    I let Dave decide on whether he want to do this …

    However it will be difficult to give you a real number as it depends on the competitivity on two main factors

    1. How many sites you competing against
    2. The keywords they target

    Then you can sub-divide this further to
    1. There domain age
    2. What kind of links
    3. Do they have authority

    It is really difficult to predict this. However the best way of doing is running your own tests and setting it up. Prove it to yourself. You will learn at the same time. And it will be yours to keep and grow your sites.

    In my opinion Shawn, Dave have pretty much shared with us what works and doesnt at the moment. As Google is nothing more that a computer…it wiil continue to change rules, formulas and updates and what works today may not work tomorrow. So just do it what he says now, cash in as much and continue to update yourself.

    Nothing is for life. As I begin to notice, even with my long term sites. You need to know what works now and change when it doesnt. Use the money you make and invest!

    MKT

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @mkt,

    “Use the money you make and invest!”

    THAT is some of the best advice ever. We just got ourselves another full timer starting next week. The joy of outsourcing once it is set up is a beautiful thing. I wish I had done it as soon as I was earning.

    We do well because there are 2 of us, but imagine a year from now as there are me and the Wife, 2 part timers and 2 full timers as well.

    Could be HUGE!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:

    @Dave,
    This is my goal, once my overheads are covered each month I want to keep a bit extra for my family to enjoy(daughter wants a kitten) then I am going to invest. I get frustrated at all the things I would like to do, and do not have time for.

    +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Shaun L,

    I have something UBER in the works. It will be the next post and will cover that Shaun along with a lot of other stuff.

    It is the backbone of how me and the Wife work and it is how to really earn an awful lot of money in this game without losing your mind.

    But it will be a month in the making so bear with me. I am quite excited about it and the title is………..

    NICHE DOMINATION

    All free of course, not like others that charge you for their so called wisdom.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Shaun L Reply:

    @Dave,
    Cool, can’t wait. Just remember to include a h2 entitled ‘How To Set Up Supporting Sites For Shaun’ ๐Ÿ˜‰

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Shaun L,

    Roger that, it is on the list. I will be back in a month.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tara Reply:

    @Dave,

    “It is the backbone of how me and the Wife work and it is how to really earn an awful lot of money in this game without losing your mind.”

    Can’t wait Dave. “Without losing your mind” – yes, please, tell me more.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Tara,

    Weeeeell, I can’t promise the last bit ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I drank too much vino last night and mine is pretty gone already!

    Vote -1 Vote +1JohnM Reply:

    @Dave,

    Looking forward to it Dave. Don’t tease us for too long ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @JohnM,

    Ha, it is going to be awesome. Well, it will be an excuse for you not to do any work for the day anyway ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1JohnM Reply:

    @Dave,

    Nah, I’ll print it out and read it during my commute to work. Oh darn, I should be writing BMR’s now!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @JohnM,

    That sounds really cool Dave, can’t wait for it. Niche domination!

  24. I think I know another Internet Marketing lie.

    Put in the work and you’ll see results.

  25. Hi Dave!

    Could you elaborate a tiny bit on the “one page make a living” point? Because I have been working on quite a few products from Amazon.com now, but no matter I use hubpages or squidoo, most products only give me 10-20 bucks a month only.

    I backlinked the pages with all the keywords related to the said products, and got good ranking. For example, “buy xxxxxx” “where to buy xxxxxx” “buy xxyyyxx”….

    The traffic that I got from a well ranked hub or squidoo is 40 per day max, what should I do to really make that one page to makes me a living?

    Did I miss something?

    Another challenge in the next point that prevents me from make that “one page living” in the below:

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    Also, I find that for the hot products, Google and amazon are my biggest competitors, usually their results are on the top 1-3 (see the pictures links of the products by Google on the top 3 spots)

    Plus the product in question usually have its own webpage (such as pamper diaper) and occupies the first spot, so basically the top 4 spots are iron hard to beat.

    Just BMR and other backlinks alone would it be enough for me to beat those? They have high quality backlinks such as news site, ehow articles, some relevant websites, and stuff.

    I suspect that if I am not on the top 3 I won’t make that big profit. Being on the lower spot only made me some tiny pocket money.

    What do you think?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @saikit,

    It is all about ranking for terms that get a high enough search volume. Finding them is not easy but once you do then you just need to keep working on them to rank them.

    For Lenses it means using article directory runs as well as BMR etc.

    Amazon can be beaten, and the others. It is all just a matter of getting the most links. It is hard to beat the brand own site but a number 2 listing is still good. A catchy meta description can pull in good traffic by catching people’s eye.

    But the bottom line is find a term with high search volume and get in early if you can and work on ranking it every day.

    I just ordered a press release for a competitive terms to see what effect that can have and will report back in a few weeks on how that effects rankings. I think it may be a worthwhile cost as it goes out to 30 sites.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:

    @Dave,

    Just remember Dave that when you get a press release done, the beauty of them, is they go viral and it can take between 8 to 10 weeks that the press release is hitting new sites and new IP addresses. So yes you get an initial burst of links, but then it normally settles down after a couple of weeks or so and then nice and gradual. That’s why I like them. Its as natural as you can go IMHO.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Darrell,

    Thanks for that. I used that service on the WF, just waiting for it to be sent for my approval. They say they submit to 30 sites, but you reckon that others pick it up too?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:

    @Dave,

    Oh hell Yes…that’s the beauty of them…..Once he submits to those 30 press release sites, it goes viral. His press release sites are top notch compared to others I have used. That of course depends on what your topic is. Like I mentioned before. One press release got 22k in backlinks naturally over 3 month period. Now many of those back links will fall off over time and that’s just the way it is. But, when I checked last week, I had about 5k in links holding firm. That is all natural by the way.

    But remember, I noticed some links right away like a couple of hundred, but then gradually over a several weeks. Just put your title of article in quotes in google search and you will know how its doing over time.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Darrell,

    Thanks, I am getting quite excited. It is for a real “buzz” term at the moment so hopefully I will get the results you are talking about.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Darrell, Are you guys talking about Jonathan’s PR service or something else?

    – I <3 PRs

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Dave has the link and see if he can add it here again. His name is Gary and he is over at the warrior forum under user name of sdkWriter.

    $28 – he will write it and submit it.

    I have used him a number of times. It normally takes him about 7 to 10 days to get it done but that is because he is backed up. So, as long as you are patient its all good

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Darrell,

    Yeah, I have to wait until Monday for mine to be sent to me for approval. If it goes well though I will add a load more for him to do.

    Vote -1 Vote +1saikit Reply:

    @Dave,

    Sure Dave! Let us know which press release is good and how you do it.

    It seems to me that news release has to have news worthy content before we can use it. I guess that’s another IM lie?

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @saikit, Not a lie. Atleast once you figure out what ‘worthy’ actually means!

    – Hit 1000 RSS subscribers = PR time
    – Got 1000 comments = PR time
    – Got to 1000 posts = PR time
    – Giving away a gift after completing 3 years = PR time
    – Rolling out new features = PR time
    – Featuring a new guest blogger = PR time
    – Pushing out a quick report on your post = PR time
    – Doing a blog carnival = PR time.
    – Did an interview with someone well know in your niche = PR time

    The last one is how one of the blogs (MMA) I was working on got featured in the NYT. Not all of them are going to get featured, but you can get pretty creative if you ask me.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Great tips Man, I would never have thought of any of that ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Good ideas for getting future ones done.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, Here’s some more stuff that you might like:

    1. http://www.toprankblog.com/2007/11/press-release-seo-tips/
    2. http://www.searchenginejournal.com/link-building-via-press-releases-for-seo-rankings/3190/
    3. http://searchenginewatch.com/3626233
    4. https://www.marketingsherpa.com/article.php?ident=31044

    They’re all oldies but goldies. Dug them out of the Yojimbo now. The Sherpa report is as always excellent. Let me know if you want to borrow my copy.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Wishal, you’d think Search Engine Watch would have slightly better URL structures!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Thanks. It will be interesting to see what happens, I definitely need to get more links from more places.

    Well, don’t we all.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Wishal, http://www.sherpastore.com/How-to-Fix-Press-Releases-From-Hell.html – for everyone getting their PRs written from someone else.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @saikit,

    As far as I could tell there is a real art to getting them done. I used a service that writes them as they know what is needed to get them approved. I will let you know how it goes.

    Vote -1 Vote +1saikit Reply:

    @Dave, Thanks!

  26. Dave and everybody using BMR – this is important and you should know about it:

    I just found the link in one of my weight loss posts on BMR was not pointing to my site, but to this one:

    n1pharmacy.com/category-weight-loss.html

    I raised a ticket and am waiting for a response from John, the owner. In the meantime I started checking a few sites I recently had posts index on. I found there are more instances of this link showing up in posts under the weight loss category – not for my posts but for other people’s.

    I know its a pain in the arse, but I would urge everyone to check your indexed BMR posts especially if you are posting in weight loss or other health categories. One posts was for hair loss, so whoever is hacking the sites and hijacking the links is not being too selective on their anchors. The link is the same in every case.

    Dave, I’m posting this here cause you get a lot of readers and this needs to be known about. I’ll also post it in the FB group and already did in my forum.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    Thanks. I will go and do some hunting and see what it going on. Hopefully it is not too widespread. It will be interesting to see what John has to say.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, Its getting more interesting.

    I just found that ALL the BMR posts pointing to one of my weight loss support sites have had their content including the link deleted. The post titles are still there but no content or links. Now I feel I’m being targeted.

    I had a quick look and I’ve found some more hijacked posts so it could be very widespread. And if the hacker can target weight loss/health, they can target anything. They must be relying on the fact that most people don’t check their posts and certainly don’t go back to check old posts. Why would they? Shit, I feel like swearing bigger than Blackthorrne did… ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    I’m going to have to go back through everything and check cause I can’t rely on John doing it.

    Bollocks.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    What do they say about things going too well? Man, that sucks big time Terry, headache or what. I never really go back and check my posts but I just did and mine seem fine, but the weight loss category is definitely down the pan. I wonder what John will say?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Terry, Is the content and link still available in your admin area for that particular post?

    If so, then the info has been preserved in BMR’s system and that means it can be restored.

    Not only a headache for us, but a headache for John as well.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    I found it. I checked a good few sites. It seems that the whole weight loss category has been had to some extent.

    If that is anyone’s niche then I would check your indexed articles. Not being too picky about what links to their site are they.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, Yep, the hacker’s hitting 2 or 3 posts per site!

    Mothe^%$#@er!!!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, Ok, John replied to me too – they’ve been fighting with a hacker all weekend apparently, so this is only recent and shouldn’t affect serps.

    He has backups of everything, so its just a case of restoring. But I think we should still go back through our posts and check they’re all there, so we can let hm know which ones need to be restored.

    This is pretty big for me cause I have over 20 sites set up in there in that niche all with loads of posts pointing at them. Will take a while… Bummer.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    Thanks for the update. Also proves we all need to keep WP sites updated too. We had a satellite site hacked last week with some idiots name plastered all over the front page.

    It only had 1 page and hadn’t been worked on yet so it had an old WP install. Still upsetting and worrying though, it was in a reseller account.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:

    @Terry,

    Thanks for the heads up Terry. After a bit of searching, same problem. Health related posts with missing text. At least the posts are still indexed. Hopefully BMR can sort it out.

    I logged a ticket too.

  27. yea i’ve been hit as well, SOB!

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Ryan,

    Sorry Dude, that sucks big time. I am keeping my fingers crossed.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Dave,

    Shit happens ๐Ÿ™‚ Might have over reacted since I’ve been working as hard as I have ever been on this.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Ryan, Just to be clear… this is only about posts on the BMR network and not about posts on the user sites?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Yep just BMR.

  28. I just submitted a support ticket to BMR as well and I encourage everyone who has been hit to do that too. He needs to see that this is widespread and increase his wordpress security….

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    Just an update, john replied me and said that its some kind of link injection thing going on and they are on it. So hold your horses guys.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Ryan, SQL injection, probably.

    It’s when people enter SQL code into login forms.

    You can do this in such a way that the underlying software analyzes the input in such a way that the SQL code is executed.

    You can make it change posts, such as what happened in this case, for example.

    This security leak is as old as Methuselah.

    I’m guessing that John can’t upgrade all this WP installations because he has so many. The last update was a security update.

    I’m guessing the ‘hacker’ exploited John’s unupdated WP installation.

    But this is pure guess work that I base on seeing Ryan use the word ‘injection’.

    Vote -1 Vote +1admin Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Guys all the affected posts have been restored. If you still see one on your end, it’s likely just cache so check back in an hour or so.

    We’ve been fighting with this spammer all weekend, and I’m thinking these are some residuals left over that we didn’t initially catch. We’ve been tightening things up all weekend, changing passwords, checking files, and checking access logs on sites.

    Wherever the leak is we’ll get to the bottom of it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @admin,

    Thanks for the update. Sounds like an absolute nightmare.

    Back to typing until your fingers bleed everyone ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Dave,

    It was the summer of 69 !!! oops…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:

    @admin,

    Thanks John. We know you will get this sorted out like the pro you are.

  29. Good news people… I sold some expensive stuff from a Squidoo lens.

    In retrospect, it took very little traffic to get this done, so it’s full steam ahead with the expensive stuff for ole’ Blackthorne now!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:

    @Blackthorne,
    Glad to hear that for you, once you can see for yourself what works it should make it easier. That is sometimes the problem I find, it is only from your own experience of finding out what works that you can improve on it.

    Good Luck.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Wicked! Buying keywords working out for you then?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, Yeah I used buying keywords. But I don’t see too many of those showing up in my squid stats.

    Lots of long tail stuff in there.

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Good work

    +4 Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Blackthorne, praise the lord.

    I think it’s got to a point where people would rather your income boosted than their own ; )

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Billy,

    ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Three cheers for Blackthorne.

    Hip hip hooray!

    Hip hip hooray.

    Hip hip………………….

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Dave,

    Anyone?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    hooray.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, WOOOHOOOOORRRAAY!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, Oh Yeeeaaaahhh!! Great stuff dude ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Billy, Made me ROFL

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, We all gotta make each other ROFL every once in a while.

    The lens had just 1 visitors yesterday. Just 1 out click. And just 1 sale, instantly yielding me $24 bucks or so.

    Expensive stuff is the way to go. Who cares about sweatshirts man.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tara Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Must have been one super squid ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Tara, Damn straight, bebbe.

    Vote -1 Vote +1teatree Reply:

    @Billy, Yeah, we’re all wishing Blackthorne success in making that breakthrough!

    Good on you Blackthorne. Targeted traffic is great, isn’t it?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @teatree, Yeah and so is traffic for expensive items.

    Nobody buys cheap sh#t.

    Cheap sh#t is cheap sh#t after all.

    Why would anybody be interested in that?

    I’d rather shove my money pages in front of rich people’s noses any day of the week.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Good to hear Blackthorne. Keep up the effort dude.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Darrell, Well, it happened again.

    Somebody bought something expensive, although not as expensive as I had hoped!

    It was a cheaper model of a high tech gadget I built a squid for.

    This stuff is easy. I’m gonna be pumping out squids like never before.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Awesome!

    Vote -1 Vote +1BrainDamaged Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Glad to hear you’re doing well ๐Ÿ™‚ !!

    How are you backlinking your squids? Are you using only BMR or some other techniques as well?

    I tried doing some squids, but for every product that I think I can rank there are already a couple of lenses on first or second page, so I gave up ’cause I didn’t want to steal others’ niches.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @BrainDamaged, I use BMR only. But I know of another promising and highly-recommended-by-a-guy-I-know backlinking method that I will try out soon.

    If this works, I’m setting up my own MMO site just like Dave.

    I pick popular products like you, but I don’t see other Squids on serp1 at all that often.

    I am frequently amazed at how popular products sometimes have little competition on Squidoo, Hubpages, etc.

    I guess different affiliates search for different popular products.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tara Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Excellent news Blackthorne!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lynn Reply:

    @Blackthorne, That’s great news!

  30. hey dave or anyone when you target items on amazon bestellers do you exempt those with negative customer reviews but as btw 4-5 stars.please shed more light on this.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @kindit,

    I would steer away from anything with bad reviews unless it is just one out of many positives. People do read them, I know I do, it is part of the beauty of Amazon.

  31. Amazon says consumer electronics are capped at a 4% commission rate.

    But I still got 6.5% for selling an xBox harddrive. And also 6.5% for a Mr. Coffee machine.

    But that HDs and coffee machines are consumer electronics, are they not?

    What’s other people’s experience with Amazon and consumer electronics commissions?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Never mind I’ve seen it already by checking out my earnings report.

    The HD and coffee machine are under other categories.

    Electronics are indeed capped at 4%. So I made a little less on that expensive gadget I sold than I first thought. But it’s still a nice commission.

    I need to find a place to get higher commissions on electronics, darnit!

    +3 Vote -1 Vote +1BrainDamaged Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Just a quick tip that I have noticed. Some items on Amazon can be listed under multiple categories, for example under Electronics and Automotive. So when you’re building your links navigate to the page using other category than Electronics to get the full commission. It has worked for me on my first Dave inspired (thanks!) amazon site.

    Hope it works for everyone else too!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @BrainDamaged, Unbelievable. Glad I brought this up.

    Vote -1 Vote +1BrainDamaged Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Glad to be of assistance to my fellow marketeers ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @BrainDamaged, Too bad the stuff I sell is listed in Electronics only (or so it seems).

    How would I see if it were listed in others as well? It says ‘Electronics’ only.

    On the upside… there are some nifty gadget I sell that fall in their own category which is not a sub category of Electronics.

    So I can still sell electronics without having to put up with 4%.

    That’s really nice.

    Vote -1 Vote +1BrainDamaged Reply:

    @Blackthorne, You can check to see if it’s listed in other category by doing a search for the items and when it says “choose a category to enable sorting” try the first few to see if it’s there. That worked for my products…

    Hope it helps ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Reed Reply:

    @BrainDamaged,
    It’s worked against me too. Someone put a beauty product in electronics (and it’s only in electronics). It sells consistently at around 1-2 a day, too. To think I’m loosing 3% on every transaction sucks! I know if I ever sell anything on Amazon, I’ll “mis-list” it too.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Reed,

    Can’t you just tell Amazon it is in the wrong category? Or will the seller pull it if they have to pay a higher commission?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Reed Reply:

    @Dave, You know, I tried to report it but Amazon’s reporting process is very rigid and there was no place to tell them it was wrong. All you can do is update the title, brand, dimensions and weight, etc.

    No matter, I went back and checked and a new product was found, listed under the appropriate category. There is always something to do in this game.

  32. “nofollow link is useless to SERP” is a lie?

    I kept finding nofollow links that the Google took into account when I check my google webmaster tool, and so does Yahoo when I check the yahoo site explorer.

    If they don’t follow the nofollow links, then why would they show up in the record? So maybe they do count for some link juice?

    What do you think?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @saikit,

    As far as I am aware, or at least this was the case, Yahoo counted nofollow and dofollow. If they are equal I have no idea. Google is where it is at for me. And Google state that they do not count nofollow as having any weight but time and time again I have heard of many slipping through, no system is ever going to perfect.

    But I guess it is different now MSN own Yahoo. They never counted nofollow as far as I am aware but there are so many conflicting opinions I really wouldn’t worry about it. Get em all, you want a great mix of links anyway.

  33. Sqidoo tip. Just been messing about on Squidoo and I realized I had not filled out my profile page properly. I have and I have begun to backlink it too. Treat it like a Lens, especially if you have a new ID for each niche. You can add in html, links, and the Squidutils Amazon posters. May lead to a double listing if you backlink it.

    And does anyone know if when you favorite a Lens and your image shows up on the Lens if this is a dofollow or nofollow link? For some reason SEOQuake will not work properly for me on Squidoo.

    Any more tips feel free to add them.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Dave,

    Duh, look at the source code you Muppet!

    It is nofollow for the people that favorite a lens but nice try Dude. Will help in Yahoo though if you got that bit right at least!

    Muppet.

  34. Thanks Dave, just finding my way around Squidoo…..really loving it….it was made for internet marketers it seems. LOVE the Amazon posters in Squidutils, tonnes of stuff in there too!

    Have yet to report any great success such as that achieved by Blackthorne. Actually, I’m content just to get high on his reports for now ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Tara,

    Yikes, don’t encourage him. We will be getting half hourly updates otherwise ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Just messin’ Blackthorne.

  35. @Dave, That’s quite alright. I love it when people mess with me. It means they think I’m worth their precious time.

    Someone who’s also messing with me is my client, for whom I write software.

    Man, I’m really gonna bombard Squidoo now. I want to see a royal income from it quick so I can FIRE MY CLIENT TIM FERRIS STYLE!!!!!!!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Blackthorne, This was meant to be a reply to Dave’s mess-with-me post.

  36. Clever idea from Billy for speeding up BMR submissions. http://www.bluehatseo.org/2011/02/maximising-build-my-rank/ Or it would be for me if I knew how to use a computer.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, I’ve deliberately set my Squidoo drips to 4-6 per day now.

    Terry seemed to have lots of luck with 2 per day, so… might as well spread it thin.

    Thanks for the nice link. It’s a lot more recently updated than bluehatseo.COM.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    That’s a shame as Eli has some amazing content, just wish I understood any of it ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Your modesty becomes you well Dave.

    I believe I once said that before, so now I’ve said it twice.

    Yesterday, I had a surge of traffic on a Squidoo about something popular that is released today. About 150 uniques.

    Hardly any of them clicked and the surge before the release day didn’t make any sales!!!

    The Squid has made sales for that product in the past though, so it’s not entirely useless.

    Product isn’t expensive anyway, so I don’t mind 0 sales from this much.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Stick a big countdown timer on Lenses like that to create a sense of urgency just before items are released.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, They have such widgets?

    I’ll look for them, but maybe I haven’t unlocked it yet or something.

    Also… is it possible to color links red?

    I use the SquidUtils posters and the Big Arrow widget now.

    Which other widgets are useful for CTR?

    Most Squidoo widgets are crap. Such as the ‘Home Simpson Quotes’ widget. I dunno what the F is up with that S.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    This should be right up your street. Makes no sense to me.

    http://www.squidoo.com/css-tricks

    and all the colors

    http://www.squidoo.com/colorhtml

    The countdown module is just under C in the full module list. I am gonna use it loads as we approach Christmas for that sense of urgency.

    My best CTR comes from the Squidutils and this before Amazon links:

    <a style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: underline; color: blue;" href=

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tara Reply:

    @Dave, Thank you! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Yeah I know CSS.

    I must’ve done it wrong. But I must admit I had not read the official Squid docs about this.

    Thanks for pointing that out. It’s fairly important when it comes to getting decent CTR.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Blackthorne, I totally did not do my research properly before buying that domain. Whoops.

    Dave’s link dropping has got me 12 visitors today! That’s 11 more than I’ve been getting since it started!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Billy,

    We have to help each other out don’t we. I will give you a proper in post link on the next (and big) article. That site you told me about ranks quite easily, nice interface too. Great for affiliate stuff.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Dave, oh nice; I haven’t actually set anything up on it yet. Are you revealing it in your next post? If you are, let me know and I can throw something up before the surge : )

    Making some serious headway with keyword research projects – going to send you a quick note sometime soon to see if you’re interested (you’ll get a free ticket ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Billy,

    Cool. I am not going to tell anyone about the site you recommended unless they follow my blog on Networked Blogs ๐Ÿ˜‰

    The pages don’t index well but once they are they seem to rank well, close to Squidoo actually.

    Shhhhhhhhhhhhh.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Billy, Oh, it’s your site?

    It’s a nice site. I’ll make sure to pay a visit every once in a while.

  37. Hubpages/squidoo/infobarrels. Any body suggest me any new revenue sharing website. So, that we can make some quick ranking test.

  38. Has anybody ever tested the various Squidoo themes that become available as you create more lenses?

    Perhaps some convert better than others. But with the small traffic I have now, I can’t test it yet.

  39. Spill the beans who has been hit?

    http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/02/finding-more-high-quality-sites-in.html

    Traffic same but earnings way down. Not sure what it correlates … probably traffic has changed and are much much lower quality that previous. Worse 2 days in 18 months. Never seen such low conversion rates…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @mkt, Sites are holding.
    It’ll be interesting to see what happens to Squids/Hubs. Don’t think Google’ll start blocking them for everybody.

    Why’d you say the current traffic you’re getting is low quality? If people were clicking out to buy your product then there is a pretty good chance they aren’t the ones blocking your site. Unless you’re talking about hubs or summat.

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Wishal,

    At the moment all I can see is money going south. Unfortunately that is my best indicator when the SE is up to something. Nature of my business…when Google changes something, income goes down for couple days and then goes back up. (This always worries me, will it go back up?) Especially if it is an algo change, then some sites might be caught even if it is legit. There is no real way to really cater unless you can cater every possibility which I doubt can happen.

    However be interesting to see if hubs/squids and whether these get hits. Ultimate have to wait. It is these days like this make wonder man…why I quit my job.

    Really frustrating and worrying!

    Anyhow I hope everyone else fairs better. I just gonna sit and the corner and sulk with a beer.

    Good grief.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @mkt,

    It sounds like a big shake-up, if a little confusing. No surprise there. But it is just another reason why we should never rely too heavily on just Web 2.0 stuff, think about how Squidoo got hit before, and they have only just come back form it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @mkt,

    Hubpages adsense was right down for us, not that it makes much difference ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1raj Reply:

    @mkt,

    “Traffic same but earnings way down. Not sure what it correlates โ€ฆ probably traffic has changed and are much much lower quality that previous. Worse 2 days in 18 months. Never seen such low conversion ratesโ€ฆ”

    I am seeing the exact same thing but with adsense. I have lot 5 % traffic but revenue drop is around 40% which does not make sense. I have seen some updates from google this unlike any I have seen……. I was wondering if it was with adsense but I guess it is same with amazon….

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @raj,

    Someone on the Hubpages forum pointed out that for a lot of peeps it is holiday time so don’t forget that can effect traffic.

    Our sales to clicks on Amazon has been horrendous the last couple of days, worst in a long time.

    As for adsense and Hubs I was talking with the Wife about this last night. It may well be that while this algo change is being rolled out that Advertisers and putting a block on Hubpages as they think the traffic will be of a lower quality.

    It would mean that you get a much lower cost per click and earnings will plummet.

    Vote -1 Vote +1raj Reply:

    @Dave,

    Yes I would agree with you Dave if the case was with hub and adsense. I am talking about adsense on my personal sites across wide variety of niches. My payout per click is around 50% of what it was from last 3 days (and this has not happened for a long time). Nothing has changed in terms of ranking, may be 5% max affected. There are daily fluctuations in adsense click payouts and this is normal, but this is crazy and consistently going down hill. Todayโ€™s EPCM is the lowest I have seen in years even though traffic is almost the same.

    It is hard to believe that all the advertisers would have reduced their budget across all the niches. This really does not make any sense……

    PS: It is really interesting though to also hear about your poor conversions at Amazon. This means we are seeing very low quality traffic / poorly targeted one coming from gโ€ฆ.which goes against what big daddy is claiming of better search results after the update ๏Œ

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @raj,

    I don’t know what to say, yesterday was one of our best ever adsense days. Maybe I got your good traffic ๐Ÿ˜‰

    What a weird business we are involved in. It will be interesting to see how Amazon does today.

    Vote -1 Vote +1raj Reply:

    @Dave,

    Well that really sums up this game….. time for a break and beer ๐Ÿ™‚

  40. hubpage traffic is down by 40%
    they are talking abt it in the hubpage forum

    how about squidoo? any traffic trends observed? Dave? Tracey?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @xxecxx,

    Squids are exactly the same for me. Adsense was down on Hubs but I don’t really think rankings have changed at all so may just be one of those quirky days earnings wise.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @xxecxx, For me, hubpage traffic seems normal, but adsense income has dropped a bit – not too worried yet, it’s too early to tell.

    For squidoo – rankings and traffic remain the same – no noticeable differences.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Tracey, Update: Hubpages down, Squidoo up, Ezinearticles down, all my sites no noticable change (some doing better, others no real change)

    From what i can tell, backlinks have become even more important. Inner pages (or hubs) with little to no backlinks suffered the most, pages with backlinks (including the Squids I’ve been blasting with BMR) did better.

    Still waiting until it settles down though.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Tracey,

    Yeah, my squids seem to be up a bit too. It is just annoying that all the data I can see seems to be delayed. But it is early days anyway.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Carrie Reply:

    @Tracey,

    It would be kinda funny if HP loses b/c of backlinks. They may have to rethink their position on backlinks.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Tracey, HubPages down 15% for me as well. However, none of the major money making hubs are down. Only 2 of the high traffic ones have fallen back 5-6 places.

  41. Well I certainly have not had the success you have had but I will strongly disagree with the back link deal again. I have seen too many high ranking sites beat out sites with a LOT of back links.

    I have one site that makes regular sales but nothing great. I have exactly four back links to the entire site. There are 110,000,000 MILLION competing pages and I am number one, two, and four for the keyword phrase. This site is beating out sites that have back links in the thousands.

    I have another site that is making regular sales and it is ranking number 2 on the first page of Google with two back links and it has over 90,000,000 competing pages and is out ranking sites that have THOUSANDS of links.

    I have recently started to do local SEO for companies and build websites. My filipino team and I have built sites that are now ranking high on the first page of Google for our keyword phrases and they are beating sites that have hundreds and thousands of links to them. We have less than 10 links on these sites.

    That does not mean that back links are not important, in many cases they are. But they are NOT the cats meow. On site SEO, which MOST do not have right and there is NO good excuse for that, is the real key. I learned this the hard way over Christmas when I started using Market Samurai.

    I saw sites ranking really high with almost no back links…many of them IPK sites…and I realized that on page SEO was the real key. Back linking can put you over the top with all other things being equal…but usually all other things are not equal. On page SEO of most sites is atrocious.

    So then I started studying guys like Paul Prissick and Daniel Tan…..they believe in back links but REALLY believe in ON PAGE SEO. OPSEO as IPK likes to always call it. It makes a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference. I cannot count how many times in the last few months I have seen IPK sites, with their sorta weird internal linking and OPSEO destroying much older sites with many more back links.

    All one has to do is look at sites that rank high….many of them do NOT have the most back links. In fact many of the high ranking sites have far fewer back links.

    Back links can be very important, but does anyone think Google is so stupid that they are going to give the highest ranking to a site (consistently) that has the most back links….maybe if all the other factors are the same. But with OPSEO it is not the same. Not even close. Again, check out the top 10 sites for almost any keyword phrase you want…and you will see many many sites high in the rankings that have far fewer back links that other sites. There has to be a reason for this.

    People should really follow what Daniel Tan and Paul Prissick have to say. Since following their advice I have got sites to rank HIGH, and I mean HIGH, for keyword phrases that are competitive. And with very few back links.

    In fact Paul Prissicks method of back linking is simple yet (that is how good things usually work) but INCREDIBLY effective.

    Now I just need to start picking better niches, and I will. Get your OPSEO right, follow what Daniel Tan and especially Paul Prissick have to say and watch your rankings skyrocket…without spending a bunch of time and money getting back links.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Todd,

    You would just be spending your money on exact match domains instead wouldn’t you, all in an effort to rank for one keyword. How is that scalable?

    And what happens if EMD’s lose favor?

    Or am I missing something here Todd? I simply could not face buying thousands of domains, which is what I would have to do. The bottom line for me is that you will NOT rank for a competitive term unless yo get links or have an EMD. Risky for any product name as you can get the site taken from you at any moment.

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Todd,

    There is no one way to rank well in Google in my opinion.

    Do what works for you ๐Ÿ˜‰

  42. i am among those that were hit quite badly…

    hubpages.com

    /forum/topic/68521

    I am seeing lotsa of blue arrowheads pointing down across all my niches…can only wait what happens when it settles down

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @xxecxx,

    We have to be realistic about this and face the facts that it is not surprising. If you wanted to bring up the best search results would you continue to promote a site that is based on getting adsense clicks and selling Amazon products. Hubpages is a content farm, not the best informational resource online. I still rank for white socks though ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I was just talking with the Wife and I find it amazing that Hubpages never vet your content like Infobarrel does. There you have to prove yourself before they let your content automatically go live. I wonder if they have been hit the same way.

    And who is this mystery person with the mysterious name? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, So Google are still on the rampage against content farms eh? The squid and hub I was working on in my earlier project are still in their same spot on page #1 along with my “authority” site page which they both outrank. Mmm.

    Did I pick a bad time to start hammering BMR links at some hubs? Probably a good time.

    BTW the on-site SEO stuff is little more than making sure your KWs are in the right places on the site and in each page.

    That includes H1,2,3 tags plus about a 3% KW density in the text plus an alt=”… keyword” in an image or two. Getting the main KW in the site title which matches the H1 tag is duh. So is getting the KW at least once in the site description meta (twice is better).

    You can get SEO plugins for wordpress blogs but for static sites, which I do most of, you have to do it all manually, so just follow a formula and there you have on-site SEO, for what its worth. Without plenty of varied backlinks its worth very little IMHO.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    Sounds like just about what we all do for our content posts doesn’t it? Apart from EMD’s that is basically how I do my sites. Although I do a good number of H2’s for related terms in posts which without doubt has a very positive effect.

    The fact that Squids and Hubs want you to use plenty of text modules with titles should tell everyone that this is important.

    I see your tutoring has paid off Terry, xxecxx has done brilliant hasn’t he.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, Amazing well actually ๐Ÿ˜‰ although not so much tutoring, just sharing what I know.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    Tell me, tell me. I wants to make some money on the Webternet.

    Seriously though, he has done great, those are earnings people who have been at this a long time would kill for.

  43. Well this definitely ruined my day. Actually, it probably ruined the next several months for me. The one page that was bringing in just about all of my money just got it’s traffic halved and chances are the conversion rate is going to plummet because I’m no longer #1.

    I am pretty lost on how to continue forward from here. My current entire strategy hinged funneling the money from this page into hiring writers and discovering new niches with squidoo…

    guess I’m just venting. gah

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Josh,

    I hear you … have a beer ๐Ÿ˜‰ it helps

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @mkt,

    hahaha, I just pulled out my “rainy day” shot of tequila.

    It does help.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Josh,

    Turns out drinking was a terrible idea.

    I feel even worse than I did before and I’m struggling to type coherently.

    It also turns out I drank a lot more than a shot. Also a bad idea.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    It is tough no doubt. We make very good Hubpages money but there you go, that’s life.

    We all need to seriously think about long term as well as short term cash. Grab the easy rankings while you can but the fact is that Hubs, Squids etc are content farms for the most part.

    Ling term it is very important to build your own quality sites and rank them over time. And even then I ensure that there are 4 or 5 backup sites for good niche earners in case one gets hit.

    Diversify and never rely on one source of income.

    Josh you may well find that some more work will bring your Hub back up, it may just be an initial shock in the algo change and it will bounce back.

    But then Squidoo was dissed for almost a couple of years so don’t neglect your own sites.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Dave,

    Dave, no disrespect meant at all, but all of this is so easy for you to say. You got in and out with your short term strategies with money to get going and the right list of niches already.

    You have to have short term strategies before you can have long term strategies.

    The strategy was build a bunch of squidoos, backlink them all, take the best performing ones and make long term sites out of them. I can’t just take a shot in the dark and start making 100 page sites and sending thousands of links to them…..

    Unfortunately, the aforementioned shot of tequila hit me like a truck part of the way through typing this so if I sound like an ass who has no idea what he is talking about I’m sorry….

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    Not at all Josh, I know that this game is tough and really does want to make you cry and go be a Postman instead.

    It is hard and if I ever come across as saying that this game is easy then I apologize.

    I recommend using Web 2.0 properties to test niches, I think it is the best way to test before you build a big site, and if they are getting hit then that is a major bummer.

    The reality is that this game is getting a lot harder. I mean, you now have peeps like me and the Wife employing 4 people sending out hundreds of backlinks and articles every day and it is getting harder to compete if you are starting out.

    Get yourself a general site.

    I think everyone needs to learn how to buy aged active domains and build their own mini Hubpages and test niches that way. These big content farms may just be getting too big for their boots.

    Conversely we may find that when everyone gets over their Tequila hangover tomorrow all will be rosy in the garden of Web 2.0 once again.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Dave,

    Actually what I meant was that it is easy for you to say “diversify” when you have a lot of sites already ranking well, a lot of market information, and a team of 6 people who can knock out hundreds of articles a day. Not that it is actually easy.

    I have a team of 3 people who can’t even seem to get 50 articles out a day. Maybe I will just fire the other two tomorrow and go back to writing them all myself(I won’t).

    Also, I have serious doubts about them going back on this algo change. There has been a shitstorm brewing over at techcrunch for weeks about “content farms” ruining the results. I honestly thought they were going after the professional content farms(think demand media), not every web 2.0 you can think of… It’s already hard enough to rank one of those thanks to previous algo changes.

    Anyways, do you know where a good place to buy an aged domain is these day? Also, do you find you have to age each page for a while before it ranks, or does it mostly depend on domain age?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    I have no clue about buying aged domains, and it is knowledge that I really should acquire. I think Lando has some info, he will hopefully be along at some point. But I am sure Terry and others can help with it.

    Let me try to answer your question with an example. On a general 2 and a bit year old site I have I put up 18 posts in a row for a new niche on it just over 3 weeks ago. I wrote all 18 Amazon affiliate posts in a couple of days then sent them 10 BMR’s each over 18 days. I did half and a worker did the rest of the links.

    A good number of the posts are now middle page 1 for what is a realtively competitive niche. Now I will link them all again.

    Results in a few weeks?

    1 sale. But for an earning of $32 dollars commission. I know that if I can up the serps results I should nail it. But that is a lot of work for $32 dollars. It would be a major loss if that was all I ever made.

    But that is what needs to be done and hopefully the work will pay off long term. But if nothing else it has pushed up the general authority of the site so each time it gets that little bit easier to rank new content.

    Tough game and it involves a lot of keeping your fingers firmly crossed.

    There is a link in a comment somewhere on here that links to a free report from Terry Kyle about how to buy aged domains, but I don’t know where it is.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Dave,

    Could you give me an idea of how much work you had to put into the site to get it to that point?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    PR3, 1600 pages indexed, including tags, etc, only 230 actual posts and almost 4,500 links, 2000 to the homepage from blogrolls. But it has blogrolls to specific inner posts too. Age is the key and regular linking, it does not need to be a huge site content wise.

    Work is totally sporadic, it goes months and months without any links or new content. But over time that is seen as regular and natural linking. It doesn’t have to be every day or anything.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Dave,

    Sorry, I got a bloody nose….

    I think I can pull that off.

    I know this question probably doesn’t have a good answer, but how long do you think it would take for it to start actually ranking if I took one of those 5 page MFA sites that is about a year old and started pumping it full of pages and links?

    It’s about 10 months old and doesn’t have too many links(though yahoo is showing over a thousand because I comment spammed it a while ago)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    Impossible to say. I have done new sites and backlinked them hard from the get go and ranked super sweet. I have also done sites slowly with minimal links and got sandboxed for over a year and just come out now.

    The algo is quirky and sometimes things just work. But overall and for the most part for me I find this.

    Build a small site and let it age, just like you have, for a 6 month period or so with minimal links.

    Add a ton of new content and let it age for a few months. Then give it a couple of links a day for a few months.

    Then simply do as much linking and content as you possibly can from that point on.

    And hope you don’t lose it all because of some quirk of just one search engine.

    And I wouldn’t use comment spam or forum profiles until it had a shed load of other links.

    But I hope you are OK Josh, a bloody nose means stress right?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Dave,

    I get bloody noses pretty often, usually just because it is so dry up here. I’m almost positive this one was brought on by stress…..

    The problem is that I just hired 2 writers and the money I earned this month is only going to be able to pay them for maybe 3 months. I have to get the same page earning again NOW, if I don’t want to fire them.

    Even if I get this new Amazon site ranking it won’t matter because by the time it makes me any money I will have already had to fire them (Benefits of a Net60!).

    Seriously, this could not have happened at a worse time.

    Either I’m going to have to get all 3 of us working on a new site knowing that I will have to fire them in a few months before it starts earning, or start trying to find a new way to make money really fast(which will probably fail as history has taught me). Either way I’m basically screwed.

    I had en email exchange with one of my writers this morning, who wanted to make sure this is a long term job because all his other writing jobs haven’t lasted very long. I promised him I would employ him for a year.

    Anyways, You said something interesting a few posts up. How did you get 2000 links from blogrolls?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    I made them myself from other sites I have. And some on the same IP.

    Take a look on Fiverr too. And just don’t be shy about contacting others and asking for an exchange. I think people also do exchange request in the Postrunner forum.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    OK Josh, much as I am not a fan of this and I would not recommend it long term I can give you a way to earn quickly and cash in.

    You can either talk to Todd about what he said about not needing backlinks to rank or simply go for it. Hopefully he will explain if you ask him but it is based on exact match domains.

    I am not a fan of this really and don’t do it but it does work at the moment. If you do 5 page MFA then you already know it anyway. Just do it on a large scale.

    Just pick a tonne of seasonal and popular products on Amazon and buy up all the exact match domains you can find. Good on page SEO as Terry suggested above and you are good to go. It will all add up to good money short term for the season.

    I don’t like that system but if you have done small MFA then you know they rank. Some will stink but some will rank, no doubt about it. Just crank em out fast furious. Or get your team to do them.

    It is all about scale, some will simply do well for whatever reason and some will stink. But there is a fair initial outlay which I don’t like and I don’t see it lasting long term.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, I get mine from Godaddy auctions/closeouts. The auctions tend to get a little hectic in the last few minutes if the domain is very good, so lately I just pick up the odd goodie from the closeouts for $5-9 plus registration and a coupon usually gets me an aged domain anywhere from 2-10 years or more if I’m lucky for between $17-21.

    I search manually on keywords inside Godaddy (to get the KW in the domain, although EMDs are rare as rockinghorse shit) and sometimes use dropday.com, then run the domain through Google to see if its indexed (very important) a whois to make sure its legit and the seobook toolbar to see if there are any decent backlinks already in place.

    I don’t care about PR as any the domain has will be lost on the next update, although if the domain already has some decent baklinks from PR pages or better, .edu’s (it happens sometimes) then the PR often comes back with some more linking plus backlinking the existing links.

    It takes some work to get a good aged domain these days as there are a lot of people also out there doing it. Freshdrop.net is the best search tool for aged domains, but its not free any more, something like $79 a month subscription. Dropday.com is free for the first few searches then they hit you with a subscribe page.

    But…

    From what I’m hearing, Google is giving less weight given to aged domains that have recently changed owners, so the main benefit is existing backlinks that can be worked on and go towards future authority. That aside, building a strong, content rich site on an aged domain with the KWs you want in there still gives it some ranking and indexing advantages over a new domain.

    Hope that helps

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    Thanks. I really do need to learn me some new stuff. There just doesn’t seem to be enough time ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Dave,

    Well thanks for your help tonight Dave and Terry.

    Also, thanks for letting me vent on your blog. I feel a lot better now.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Terry, I shopped around a lot after FreshDrop went behind paywall and ended up with RegisterCompass as the best replacement. It’s currently $37 a month (less if you sign up for multiple months at a time), still not cheap, but better than $79.

    Used domains with existing PR for building support sites are the bomb, although harder to get than ever. The price of a good one has about quadrupled in the past year.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:

    @Dave,

    Very nice product selection if you’re getting $32/sale!

    Yeah, I’ve been taking a break from bleeding fingers and going back to part-time Internet Marketing. Instead, I’ve been trying to work out what all the fuss is about with regards to buying aged domains. I bought the http://backlinks-hydra.com/ package last year, watched it, then did nothing. But I’ve revisited it and started following some of the techniques Terry talks about to purchase high page rank domains. I figured that since there was a recent PR update, now was a good time to start. At the bottom of his sales page is a video that gives away quite a lot of his “secrets” so just by following that advice, you can get away without purchasing the Hydra package.

    So far, I’ve only won one auction. Don’t want to go too crazy before I know what I’m doing. Although, it does seem that the best way to learn is to do it. Looking forward to seeing what happens to the PR of my site on the next update. As long as the incoming links don’t change then I am hopeful that it will retain its PR. Never owned a PR4 blog before. I want it to stay that way!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    I have one PR4 site and I have to say it ranks like a baby. But it was a “Social ” site and got lots of blogrolls.

    And no nicking my niche Lando, you keep your paws away from it ya hear me ๐Ÿ˜‰

    And thanks for the tip re the vid.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:

    @Dave,

    How about I stay away from “your” niches if you stay away from “my” auctions? There’s no way I could compete with your buying power. Then again, I know how tight you are!

    You know most of “my” niches and I know some of “yours”. Going head to head in one is enough for me. I’ll leave this one to you! But you did give me a good idea – not for a niche – but the idea of going in for some really expensive products. I like!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    I won’t be after your auctions Lando, I am too busy ranking my white socks. Moi, tight?

    Did you get a sale for some UK trainers the other day? You can’t call that kind of purchase tight! They cost twenty squids.

    Time will tell how well the more expensive products do but if there are a lot of positive reviews then they obviously sell well.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:

    @Dave,

    Thanks man. Got a sale for some walking shoes / trainers. But if you’re at your computer all day, surely you don’t need them!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    It is so rocky on the track that I go through them real quick. Plus now I am an office worker I really need to start getting more exercise.

    It is amazing how quickly a sedentary lifestyle effects the old tum tum. Never was a problem when I was doing building work all day.

  44. okie..a short intro
    came from the same forum as Terry, in fact hes really the one whos been hand holding me and teaching me the basics since 2009

    lurker here since 2010 Sep, restarted Amazon after reading your posts
    2009 to 2010 Sep = $73
    2010 Oct = $181
    2010 Nov = $682
    2010 Dec = $1057

    nothing spectacular, but I work very slowly…probably slower than Dave’s mom
    only one $$ content post + 5 BMR/ezine backlinks per day is all I can manage before my brain is overloaded

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @xxecxx,

    Ah, I just wondered about the email addy. Thought Terry was up to something.

    Man, those are some kick ass numbers. That is very inspiring. If that is all the work you do in a day then you are absolutely nailing it, you have some good niches there Dude.

    And welcome to the site, nice to hear from anyone that reads my drivel.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, its the hidden part of my forum (The Bike Shed) I set up with Griz and a bunch of his disciples back in 2008 so we could talk link building strategy. Things have changed a lot since then, but many of the basics still work.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @xxecxx, I wish I had put in the (right) work and made that amount of money.

    I wish I could do that man.

    How did you do it? With a new site starting from scratch?

    One post per day and 5… EZINES ???

    No backlink variety at all? Just ezines?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Would love to hear more myself, of course if Terry has no objections.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, When I was telling Dave and the rest of y’all about my planning of increasing my income with >$1000 per month and I said I wanted to do it before the end of June…

    Dave said it’s entirely feasible with Squidoos.

    I’ll be hammering my 25 Squids with BMR links.

    I really hope I’m gonna see some rankings and make some consistent sales for significant profit man.

    I deserve it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1xxecxx Reply:

    @Blackthorne, nothing new, its hubs for initial research+backink source, then my own sites in those niches…probably have to adapt to squidoo is better now

    its not like i really do 1 money site post + 5 BMR/ezine/articledirectory links everyday…most of the time my work progress is a sine wave…many days i just cant get myself to do real work after a good day of writing 30 BMRs

  45. eh…its not all the way up

    Jan 2011 = $440
    Feb 2011 so far is $499

    i am still miles away from good buying keywords and niches
    my Amazon conversion down right sucks
    Ordered items/ Clicks = 4~4.5%

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @xxecxx,

    That is about average, nothing to be ashamed of at all. I have done worse plenty of days click to buy wise.

  46. The comments on the http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/24/google-targets-content-farms-with-major-search-algorithm-tweaks/ over at TC are interesting. Especially with a hub publisher trying to convince the world his hubs are golden nuggets of awesomeness.

    There goes my $10,000 HubPages experimentโ€ฆ

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Yeah, Ryan on that article is not a happy bunny. Bottom line is that it is not our site and anything can happen at any time.

    We can moan and groan but they could just as likely close our accounts any time they feel like it as well. Grab the cash but don’t rely on it from any single site, personal or shared.

    But Ryan sure does get a lot of traffic. Surprised he has only been living on the income for 6 months.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, I see over at that thread that Josh, who has posted here about his success with Squidoo, is also not too happy. He seems to have lost his major Squidoo lens which was bringing in some serious dough.

    I haven’t noticed a Squidoo slap myself as of yet. And none of my privately owned websites have been hit either.

    But this only goes to show… you gotta spread the traffic over multiple lenses, hubs, sites and pages.

    You’ve also gotta invest back in your biz and make it bigger, because it’s too volatile when you are still making small amounts (say below $3000 per month or so).

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Eggs and baskets come to mind. However, he was going to do it eventually like he said. Bad timing. I was in a similar situation during the post-Floridian-nameless update .

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, Have you really ‘lost’ your hubs to the new change?

    Dave, have you seen any negative effects?

    Other people?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Nearly every one of my Hubs has a blue arrow next to it denoting a fall in traffic. The Wife has dropped to page 2 for a major Hub that was number 2 or 3 for countless months.

    But it may not last, only time will tell.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Will you linkbuild it and try to get it ranking again?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Not yet, I would rather wait and see. This is only day one of an algo change. After a few weeks all may return to normal. Then the time spent backlinking would have been wasted effort.

    Hubs aren’t really my thing but the Wife kicks ass on there.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JanisG Reply:

    @Dave,

    It looks she is back to page one ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I was in P6 for similar keyword, the one with letter at the end, and now I am 10 positions down.

    Lots of my hubs have fallen from mid-first page to positions 12-14.

    I am see lots of weird movements at the moment. Like my ‘pumper’ blogs (Blogger, WordPress, Weebly) that have been havily hit by Sick Submitter and Scapebox comments, are outranking hub with ‘kosher’ links that they are linking to.

    And yes, I still see hubs and Squids on page one, they are just not mine ๐Ÿ˜€

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @JanisG,

    That was pretty short lived then. Are we talking about the general site that is yours? If so then that is good rankings. Age of domain coming in to play?

    Vote -1 Vote +1JanisG Reply:

    @Dave,
    Nope, that’s also a hub.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @JanisG,

    I see you.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Blackthorne, I had a quick check around but I don’t want to waste too much time checking the ranking of every hub/lens its not worth it. Some lenses have stayed put, others have dropped a few places but nothing to worry about.

    But WTF… my weight loss site jumped up from page 4 to page 2 for the big kahuna KW “weight loss” … oooh I can feel a crunchie moment coming… (cue image of smiling Internet Marketer up off his chair dancing around the room) oh yeah just 10 more little places and its…here comes the traffic… here comes the traffic… ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, Since you only get the SWEEEEEEโ€ฆ, I’ll post the rest of the EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTT

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Wishal,

    That’s odd, I fell off the edge of the page.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Terry, I have a weight loss site as well.

    Perhaps we can do a linktrade?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Is it on page 2 for “weight loss”?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Not even close.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Its funny (well funny for me, not for you) but that site has zero blogroll link exchanges and only 1 in-post exchange with a site that was and still is way higher than mine. That way the site stays anonymous, which is the way it has to be in that niche. It doesn’t have so many links but what it has are all pretty strong, mostly from my own stable.

    I guess I’m saying no to the link exchange, but at least I’m giving my reason ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Terry, I don’t mind. My weight loss site is crap anyway.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Nope. Nothing out of the ordinary. Though I expect I’ll have more data in a couple of days. My big earners are where they were earlier. One of them has jumped 3 spots to claim Nยบ2. Most of the competing hubs for other big keywords seem to be staying.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, So we’re talking about hubpages ONLY right now?

    Despite the fact that your hubs are on a content farm, most of them stayed put and one of them still managed to go higher?

    That’s interesting. Diversification is the key to a stable income.

    I’m not gonna worry about this algo change. Waste of energy. I’m just gonna keep building.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Yep and yep. They’re mostly holding to their rankings. I share your sentiments when it comes to reacting to the algo change.

    I am pretty sure you can still rank squids as well as hubs. I’m seeing folks’ hubs rank in the top 3 for keywords that get close to 200 people a day. Infact, I’m so sure that I’m going to go ahead and plop a nice chunk of change doing a Squidoo experiment as planned before the “Farmer” update hit.

    EZA is supposed to be dead out of the water and I am seeing loads of them rank as well.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, I did my research about that Squidoo slap from a few years ago.

    Back then, they still allowed porn lenses and they also allowed iframes. The iframes were abused by people to pull all sorts of tricks detrimental to Squidoo’s reputation.

    Since then, Squidoo has made sure to think about quality control and they came back.

    They have learned their lesson and they don’t come off as spammy at all. As long as they keep this up, I don’t think Squidoo is going to get another personal slap.

    A few downers due to algo changes maybe… but no slap like in 2007.

    So I’m going ahead with Squidoo as well. I want to earn big time from it quick and then reinvest in privately owned websites. Good ones.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    My understanding is that before the original slap you could rank for fairly difficult keywords just by creating a page for them.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Josh, Those days are gone. It’s going to require a little more effort now.

  47. Wow… one of my lenses just sold an incredibly expensive item. Exactly the item that it was promoting, by the way.

    Again… amazed by the small amount of traffic required to make this sale.

    If I can make THIS much money with THAT little traffic… then Google can change up its algos all it wants. Trickle traffic is all I need, baby.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Buying keywords to the rescue eh?

  48. I don’t mean to be an ass, but I love the role of Devil’s Advocate way too much. Internet Marketing is a business, like it or not. When you look at the amount of money it takes to start an offline business, IM is dirt cheap. People are willing to mortgage their homes to start up a coffee shop, meanwhile we lay out 10 bucks on a domain and 7 bucks (or less) a month for hosting. Or we just leach off of hubpages/squidoo for free.

    Make no mistake, I was in the same boat as just about 95% of y’all, but I’ve had a real paradigm shift and it’s time to start investing in things. Outsourcing is just the start. I’m looking to go full out webstore; inventory and all. You spend all of this time trying to rank for something to only get 6-10%…why not 40-50%. (BTW, anyone that can help me out with this it would be much appreciated :))

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Reed,

    It is a good business plan for a lot of peeps Reed. Personally I can’t stand the idea ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I made a full time living many years ago selling DVD’s on ebay.co.uk. I would buy from the US and Hong Kong and import and sell them. All that stock buying and shipping and dealing with inquiries, well, I don’t want to go back to it if possible.

    Oh, plus I got banned from ebay in the end once I entered the very lucrative business of knock offs. But that was after there was no longer a living to be earned selling the proper stuff unless you did insane scale.

    But you are right about the costs, I wish I had invested more earlier. A proper online store with stock is a great idea to maximize earnings, but I just can’t face dealing with customers.

    Dropshipping is a happy medium that is also worth considering but it is easy to get burned unless you make some real relationships.

    Great points though, wanna buy a knock off copy of 24? All seasons for $50 to you, you get covers and everything.

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Dave,

    Invest your money into shares and property ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Well thats what I do ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @mkt,

    We are going to buy a second house when we have the cash. Shares………..been burned once many years ago. I don’t have the nerve for it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Dave,

    Yeah I am a property fan. It is currently funding my crazy career change.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Pete Reply:

    @Dave,

    “Oh, plus I got banned from ebay in the end once I entered the very lucrative business of knock offs.”

    For Some reason that made my day Dave…gave me a good laugh ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Pete,

    Glad to be of service ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Reed, You often get 50% or more in adult entertainment. But this has got to be your style.

    There are more affiliate programs out there that sell info products and give you 75%.

    Affiliate IM is all about not having a hassle with physical products. So what if commissions are small. You can build a $100k empire on small commissions as well.

    Especially if you have other people build your empire for you.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Reed Reply:

    @Blackthorne, True that. But I’d say that selling info products is a much different ball game. You have to be a lot more persuasive and not just #1 in google for cheap midget socks.

    “Especially if you have other people build your empire for you”
    I’ll drink to that!

    I am intrigued by drop shipping, but don’t know enough about it.

  49. The other thought I had was that Hubpages et al don’t want to lose their share of the profits, so they will definitely do what it takes to maintain. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some changes to the way we publish stuff. We might have to start watching our KW density again!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Reed,

    They need to screen content like Infobarrel do, it amazes me they don’t at least put you on trial for a few Hubs before they let you run rampant.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Reed,

    As for quality control, their strength has always been their community doing the policing for them. That was fine when there were only 100k or so hubs. Now its probably in the millions they don’t stand a chance at keeping tabs on everything.

    They do limit your profile hubscore to begin with so you don’t get dofollow links, but you can still write crap and push affiliate stuff and if you can rank it, get a decent share of the adsense booty.

    Wouldn’t surprise me to see a change in the revenue share if the hubpages owners want to keep their cash levels up. That’s another problem with relying on someone else’s property to make money – they can take more of yours whenever they want!

  50. I bloody give up ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I dont know how ranking works anymore. I have a site … with 5 links … probably just profile links rank number 2 for a term that beat 5 of well established sites. It is just bonkers to be honest!

    It is really dumb to be honest…but then again lets enjoy some Amazon loving next couple days.

    I honestly given up on this site ๐Ÿ˜‰ and now miraculous G gives it loving.

    Time for another beer, perhaps my eyes are seeing things again.

  51. It definitely seems to be hubs that have been hit. I have one that has sat on page one for weeks both .com and .uk. It is now over half way down page two in .com yet still in place in.uk. I believe that this change has only been rolled out for .com so far, so it is only a matter of time until it goes. Will have to see if a few more backlinks will shift it.

    Or I might not bother and just do Squidoo, I find the conversion so much better with Squidoo, those Squidutils are just so good. I am wondering whether to just concentrate on these for a while.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Suzanne,

    I prefer Squids too, but let’s not forget that the same thing could happen to them, it has before.

    Building up our own sites should always be a priority.

    Not to say it isn’t a bit of a bugger though ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Suzanne Reply:

    @Dave,

    Still trying to build my own sites up, but Squidoo is the best option at the moment for a quicker return, which hopefully I will be able to reinvest into my own sites.

    Let’s just hope google has finished tinkering for a while.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Suzanne,

    I honestly think that anything that has had backlinks will be fine for the most part, and squidoo seems safe anyway. I think them cleaning house a while back has really paid off.

    I am still working Squids hard and have some high hopes for a few I did last week. But I know I am in the fortunate position that I don’t have to rely on them.

  52. I have a writer I’m thinking about firing if anyone is interested. I just need to cut down on costs before I get myself in a mess.

    I’m paying him $150 a month and he’s been putting out 15-20 BMRs a day.

    Send me an email Benpari[at]gmail[dot]com

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    That is a cracking price, someone really should take Josh up on that. I would if we didn’t already have peeps working for us.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, You can get plenty of writers like that on you-know-where.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Blackthorne, (but taking that one from Josh would save a person the time of the hiring process)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Not to mention $50 for a month of you-know-where haha

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Josh, ‘Xactly.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    lol guys where is this “you know where”?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Ryan,

    onlinejobs.ph

    or bestjobs.ph

    All the cool kids use it ๐Ÿ˜‰ The first is best for posting jobs and you get a lot of responses.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Dave,

    ah i know these place, so did you guys join the replacemyself.com or something in order to get access? last i heard one of those sites blocked people from outside philliphines.

    Anyway, is it REALLY possible to get 50 or 150 per month writer from there that writes 20 BMR articles per day? that would be great.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Ryan,

    I pay a lot more for the ones that write me either 30 BMR or 15 Postrunners a day, but the Wife has a worker who does 20 BMR a day for 50 dollars a week.

    The girls we pay more and very fluent and good enough to also write quality blogs that you would never know ere not native English speakers, I think it is more than worth the money and I would rather pay more for them to stay with me long term.

    No probs for me using the sites from Spain.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Ryan,

    Bestjobs.ph makes it really difficult if your a westerner. Just use onlinejobs.ph.

    And yeah, it is really easy to get someone who can write 10-20 BMRs a day for $150 a month. I could have 10 of them hired by tomorrow.

    Getting someone who can do a lot more than that is the hard part.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Josh, sent you an e-mail. Subject line says “Ben,” sorry for getting your name wrong. LC

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Lorecee,

    Don’t worry about it. I sent you a response, your the only one who sent me an email so I think he is yours if you want him.

  53. Rand over at SEOMoz posted an interesting article that might be worth a read.
    http://www.seomoz.org/ugc/what-could-it-mean-for-google-if-facebook-expands-their-search-features

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Wishal, Oops! Wrong link.
    http://www.seomoz.org/blog/the-next-generation-of-ranking-signals

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Wishal,

    I think Facebook has about as good a chance of taking over the search market as Google has of taking over the social networking market….

  54. Looks like Ezine articles are panicking. They are intending to nofollow all their links! Just a head’s up to people so they don’t waste time writing for Ezine and don’t waste time backlinking their ezine articles. Here’s the relevant quote:

    “The rel=โ€NOFOLLOWโ€ attribute will be added to all links on all articles very soon. Currently, itโ€™s included in the article body of any links but now itโ€™ll also be included in the resource box.”

    Given that they’ve used the phrase “all articles”, i think this will be retrospective. Here’s the article (replace the xx’s with tt’s – didn’t think they deserved to get any sort of link, nofollow or dofollow, from Dave’s excellent blog given that they are no-following all our stuff!)

    hxxp://blog.ezinearticles.com/2011/02/search-engine-algorithm-changes.html

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @teatree,

    Wow, that’s a low blow.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @teatree,

    Interesting read, they really are panicking aren’t they. The links are not going to give you much benefit though so the nofollow thing won’t really effect rankings, I am pretty sure about that.

    I don’t agree with how stringent they say they are with quality control though, I am amazed the kind of spun content they have accepted, and maybe that is part of the problem.

    They have always driven a lot of traffic though through the resource box, but I haven’t done any article marketing for an age, article directory backlinks simply aren’t worth much any more anyway.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Dave, Ezine has edited their original post and is reconsidering their nofollow decision.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lorecee,

    They probably just wiped the sweat from their brow and had a cup of tea and thought about it ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1teatree Reply:

    @Lorecee, They’ll probably do what EHow did – which is wrap the links in javascript, which is useless as far as the search bots are concerned and useless for backlinks, but allows them to say they haven’t no-followed it.

    I also agree with Dave’s comment below – this is probably the biggest opportunity for the small webmaster to gain a foothold in ages, as G has somewhat levelled the playing field, at least as far as information sites go.

  55. Wow, interesting – thanks for the link.

    I don’t think this is necessarily a bad thing that they make the resource links no follow – the only problem is it they do it on copies that people grab for their own sites as well. EA links were pretty much worthless anyway for link juice – the only benefit was if blog owners used it on their sites IMO.

    The only issue I have with one of the points they made was that they are considering having original content only on EA. I don’t get how this will work since their primarly business plan is/was to give content to other websites/ezine publishers/blogs which is essentially UN-original. (No I don’t want to get into the dupe content debate). Most authors re-use the content they place on ea on their own blogs (and so they should if they wrote it!) This will piss a lot of people off if they demand original content only and don’t offer any sort of benefit (such as revenue share) in return.

    But yes, it totally looks like they are freaking out. LOL

    Vote -1 Vote +1raj Reply:

    @Tracey,

    I would agree. This kind of defeats their business model. Nobody in there right mind will submit their articles to EZ just of link / SEO juice unless your main bread and butter is through article marketing.

    Currently they are the number 1 site affected by this update.

    I personally feel that this is a corporate warfare wherein big boys are not affected. Sites like amazon , ebay, ehow ( yes they are one of the biggest content farm. unaffected..) etc have gain places in my niches. I think the truth is as Dave has mentioned before it is getting tougher for small to medium size publishers like us.

    Anyways we should wait for the dust to settle… and then take action…..

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @raj,

    It really is time for everyone to knuckle down to a single niche and becoming a player, small sites just aren’t going to cut it for much longer. The whole IM industry is getting so saturated that more and more people are building whole sites aren’t the smallest longtails for a few bucks a month.

    A big site with real authority where you become a player over a few years is going to be the most stable way long term to stay earning.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Tracey,

    Yeah, I never gave them an original article in my life. It would always be up on other article directories before they accepted it.

    I wonder who will replace them as the “next big thing”?

    Vote -1 Vote +1xxecxx Reply:

    @Tracey,

    just got three articles rejected at ezines

    reason: Your article does not include enough original and informative content.

    seriously, ezine does not deserve my original and informative content, these are only reserved for my own sites

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @xxecxx,

    They now want 400 word minimum too and may take twice as long to approve articles. I don’t see it working.

  56. Based on Terry’s statement that he floats Squidoos to the top in 2 weeks with about 2 links per day, I am now slow-dripping 1-3 BMR links to my Squidoos per day.

    After all, if that few links per day is all it takes… then you might as well spread your links thin over time!

    You stand a good chance of avoiding the sandbox like that as well.

    But I’d like to hear other people’s experiences on this. Have some of you experimented with 4-6 per day for a long time. And if so, what were the results?

    Sometimes I get the feeling that blasting your BMR links with 10 a day at your Squidoo is kind of a waste of links.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    I don’t think you can sandbox a lens easy. I sent 40 in two days for a tough term I want to rank for fast, it shot straight in to middle of page 2 and it is all out war next week with the same again, I am in a hurry on this one.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Let me know how that goes.

    If 1-3 links per day fails to achieve at least trickle traffic in 2 weeks, I might set it back to 4-6 per day.

    Was your Squidoo already indexed when you sent it those links?

    I imagine that G will notice if a non-discovered & non-indexed link gets 40 links at once. I’m worried it might raise a flag.

    So I’m thinking: build links slow to new Squidoos, then bomb’em for quick results.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    All my lenses are indexed by the next day. Just choose good tags. And plenty of em too. My aim is to get at least one lens on the home page by being in the top 5, best I have so far is a 40 odd position in a category and one of the best 1000 on the whole site, and that was only written in January. Get it on the home page with a sweet PR7 and you are gonna be unbeatable.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, I choose my tags like I choose my keywords. I keep the buyer in mind.

    Plenty of’em? Squidoo only allows 3 in addition to the ‘best tag’.

    Are you serious about getting on the frontpage? With a lens that promotes a gadget?

    Is that *really* a long term strategy that brings in cash consistently?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Blackthorne, You can add up to 40 (? I think) tags. When you are editing your lens, in the right hand column you’ll see a box for tags. Keep pressing the add more tags button and enter your keywords.

    If you see a squid lens ranking higher than you, go and check their tags and add them to yours as well.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Tracey, Upon creation you can only add 1 main tag + 3 extra tags.

    I’ll make sure to add some keywords to the tags straight from my stats. I’m sure it will help.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Tracey,

    Sorry, didn’t see your comment before I replied. I did it recently and saw a jump. I just went on to view the source and copied and pasted all their tags in to mine.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Blackthorne you are missing out if you only do 3 tags. Each tag is a page on Squidoo, some with PR. Go in to edit lens mode and click on the tags section and add in a load. You can then get links from all those related tags pages.

    And yep, getting on to the home page should make you really tough to beat. I am gonna do it, I don’t doubt it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, In the keyword stats there is a + that would let me add keywords that aren’t on my list yet.

    But it won’t let me click the + sign. I don’t see a way of adding more tags.

    Do I need more lenses before unlocking the ability to go nuts with tags?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Just go to the actual lens then click edit. Then you can add all the tags that you want. But that + should work, that’s odd.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Carrie Reply:

    @Dave,

    Sigh. Seriously, how did you get in the top 100 so fast?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Carrie,

    Because……………

    I AM A GANGSTA!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, BTW… I have 25 lenses now. Most of which are dedicated to expensive stuff.

    Nice way to go, eh?

    Now I’m gonna focus on linking them up to see which ones are the best.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    The only way I have ever sandboxed a squidoo lense is to put it in a “spammy” niche and spam links at it like crazy. You won’t see it get a single piece of traffic from google in 6-10 months.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Josh, So I might as well do 4-6 links per day?

    Maybe it’s better that way… it’ll hurry up a little more…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    I have to be honest, I don’t do anything just for the sake of playing it safe. If that’s what works for you, then go for it.

  57. Not sure about the sandboxing of a lens and how easy or difficult it is – but if it’s a secondary site (i.e. used in a linking methodology) then it’s moot. I just bomb those things and they float when they float – my real work is on my site.

    The ancillary cash on a lens is good – but I think at some point you just need to narrow the focus on getting your product review on your main site up in the SERPs, ranking high – and eventually the lens / hubpage etc. will follow suit (or not, no biggie).

  58. Check out % ranking loss with a sample size of ~1mn searches.
    http://www.sistrix.com/blog/985-google-farmer-update-quest-for-quality.html

    Squidoo is not affected as far as SITRIX index goes. But from what I’ve been told, there weren’t that many squids in the top terms to begin with. Hubpages is Nยบ4 on the (unordered) list.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Wishal, SEMRush as well as SEOmoz data confirms Squiddo has managed to come out of this one unscathed. Now don’t go around spamming them you lot ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, Good news. Squidoo doesn’t have a spammy image and I hope they manage to maintain that.

    I really like’em. They’re upfront about liking marketing without being all mysterious about it.

    It may also have something to do with the fact that they donate to charity. That there is a real non spammy image builder.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Blackthorne, And Seth Godin is the owner/mascot/spokesperson. That shit is hard to beat.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, Yeah, and that.

    My money is on Squidoo. They have the right attitude.

    I won’t be building hubs no more.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Blackthorne, I wouldn’t write off hub pages just yet.

    They may have taken quite a hit in the serps, but they haven’t lost their link juice value. I have a ton of them that were built specifically as link providers and have many that are PR3 now. I’m still seeing some revenue coming in from hubs. A little less than before, but no so much less that it is bothering me much.

    The dust hasn’t settled yet and there will be more changes on the way. There is a lot of angry noise about Google’s big stick missing eHow and I don’t think they can ignore it for too long.

    Oh yeah, be careful because there is perhaps a little too much crowing going on about how great it is uncle G also missed squidoo… and he does listen!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Terry, Did you miss all the crowing about eHow?

    Because that’s the true worst offender of them all!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Oh sorry, you didn’t miss eHow. Shoulda read your post better.

    My bad.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Blackthorne, ๐Ÿ˜€

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Isobel Reply:

    @Blackthorne, I’m going to say something in defence of eHow, because I write for them!

    The old content was purely user-generated, like EZA, and the quality is very variable. Since Demand Media Studios took over about a year ago, all articles are now edited by experienced copy editors and written to AP standards, even the revenue share ones. Old articles are gradually being rewritten and replaced, although there are still plenty to be found, I agree.

    Most are written for a fixed fee, which varies from $15 – $30 for a 400 – 500 word article, plus another $3.50 per article to the editor.

    Umm .. how many of you are paying that kind of money for the content you’re putting all over the place? ๐Ÿ˜›

    I write in an area I’m qualified for – business and finance (I was an accountant in my previous life) – and everything I write is backed up with multiple credible references (i.e. NOT wikipedia) and fact-checked by the editor. If my article isn’t good enough as it stands, the editor will ask for a rewrite and if it still doesn’t mean her standards, the article is rejected and I don’t get paid for it.

    Sure, eHow produces content targeted at the SEs and has Adsense and other ads on the site. The article titles are taken from actual searches, so some of them might sound inane, but that’s what people are searching for. I think Google is on the wrong track in insisting on in-depth content and “thoughtful analysis” because I’m betting that 80% of their users just want a quick answer to a straightforward question.

    If you ignore the eHow results in the SERPs for these very niche titles, you won’t find any “in-depth, thoughtfully analyzed” content that’s being kept out. Mostly, eHow is competing in the SERPs with wikipedia, investopedia, Yahoo Answers, FixYa … so simply removing eHow isn’t suddenly going to mean a lot of “cream” rises to the top – because it ain’t there to start with!

    Here’s an article by Aaron Wall about DMS and the Google update that’s worth reading. Interesting comments as well:”In addition, many eHow articles are genuinely helpful, but what makes it look like spam? You guessed it: the presence of Google ads all over the page.”

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Isobel, There is something to be said for every point of view.

    Thanks for the insights.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    That is probably the shortest comment you have ever given, and to one of the longest too!

    You got told off ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Isobel Reply:

    @Dave, ROFL I didn’t mean to tell anyone off – it’s just that people make lots of comments about eHow, without really knowing anything about it. Then it becomes “true” because “everyone knows it.”

    Dangerous ground, that.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Isobel,

    I agree.

    But maybe you could be classroom monitor and tell anyone off who gets out of hand?

    We sure need it here.

    Tell me off Isobel.

    PLEASE! ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Isobel,

    Great comment Isobel, I knew nothing of eHow and I am surprised what they pay. That is good money and certainly a good way to earn online.

    โ€In addition, many eHow articles are genuinely helpful, but what makes it look like spam? You guessed it: the presence of Google ads all over the page.โ€

    Same with Ezine. I love that their ad layouts go against what us mere mortals are allowed. It is my main gripe with Adsense as a whole, it is deceiving to the visitor.

    The fact is that people do not realize they are clicking on an advert. The Google home page seems to get worse every day. I wouldn’t mind if when someone clicks on an ad a box comes up saying “You are clicking on a paid advert, this is not what we feel is the best results for your search request. Do you wish to continue? Or would you like to disable this feature in the future?”

    Now that we would be creating a better user experience. A simple question to allow people to opt out of ever seeing google ads ever again.

    Bet it happens soon.

    NOT.

    Right, I am off to write for eHow ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Actually I may look in to it for my Mum, is it hard to get approved?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Isobel Reply:

    @Dave, She’ll need a CV that focuses on whatever writing experience she’s had, plus a writing sample. It’s best to write some kind of “How To” article, using the eHow format. If she has any kind of medical or fitness qualification, she should really stress that (and apply through the Livestrong.com site rather than eHow) because health articles pay more.

    After that, she’ll get a chance to write 3 titles, each of which will be examined by a senior copy editor. As long as 2 of the 3 are accepted (after max. one rewrite), her “queue limit” (the number of titles she can claim at once) will rise to 10.

    Details and Application

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Isobel,

    Thanks for that, I will pass it along. It definitely seems like a good way for a lot of people to earn while they build up their online empire.

    I have nothing against any site that can help people become more independent.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lorecee Reply:

    @Isobel, I wrote for Demand Studios/eHow while I was waiting for my sites to age. I would say that they expected a lot more research for their $15 per article than I was willing to give them for that kind of money. But my attitude was probably influenced by the fact that my own sites were starting to pay. I did have a good working relationship with them and never got any grief from their editors. And they pay fast and reliably, straight into PayPal.

    The last I checked, the number of eHow low quality EZA style content-for-links articles outnumbered the professional ones in the SERPs by about 10 to 1. I didn’t know they’re getting rid of the crappy ones – seems like the folks who wrote them would have a right to be upset.

    Anyway, thanks for raising an interesting discussion.

  59. Hey Dave, I’ve read that I should only build a couple links a day to each page of my brand new website for the first couple months, and then i can ramp up the links after month 3 or 4. After my website is established for about 6 months, do you think its safe to bomb each new article or page I put up on my website with as many links as i can handle?

    Also, when i put up a website that will make me commissions as an affiliate and all that good stuff, how do you suggest I find information about how to create a compensation disclosure, or a privacy policy, etc. I reviewed your compensation disclosure and its pretty thorough, Im a little hesitant to put one up with the wrong words and failing to include other necessary information.

    Any help is greatly appreciated, Sam

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Sam,

    Just use mine, it is all over the Web, just change it to your site and we instead of I. Loads of people use it. For adsense just use the privacy policy plugin.

    That is the best course for linking, you can go all out from the start but risk a sandboxing. But I did it once and made 2 grand from it in 3 months. But it is just as possible it could have dived, depends how you want to play it. Slow and steady is best.

    Even better is build a site and totally forget it for 6 months. Then see where it stands and begin the slow linking. But who wants to wait? It is a tough call. But if you link slow for 6 months then you should be fine really ramping it up then, it is what I do.

  60. Dave, I’m thinking now that this has over 400 replies that you should make a new post, even if it just says “you can talk here” haha

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    I know, you lot talk a lot ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan Reply:

    @Dave,

    Yea, time for a new post. btw did you guys get affected by the latest google update?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Ryan,

    A couple of Hubs went funny for a bit but all is cool in land of Dave and Wifey. None of our sites suffered or anything like that.

    You?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Ryan, One of my sites went down in traffic a little while ago, but now it seems to have jumped to new heights.

    Then again, it might be a surge. My site sometimes has that. But then I see the current trend clearly reflected by the keywords.

    I don’t see any such pattern right now, so it might be a new traffic level.

  61. C’mon Dave, where is that mega post you promised us about getting this thing to work without losing your mind? ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Tara,

    Niche domination? It will be a while yet, only done a few thousand words and that is just the intro. Gonna be good but it will be a good few weeks yet.

    I can’t guarantee the bit about not losing your mind though ๐Ÿ˜‰

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