".......and unfortunately nearly all make money online blogs are crap, so he, Dave, decided to write his own. It's pretty spankin."
Dalai Lama
Sep 082010

Not a very SEO friendly post title I know, but I wonder what the point is with this site as I have done basically no backlinking and even with the links from you guys (thanks) I am well and truly in the make believe sandbox for now. Google absolutely hates me for now, well, this site at least.

Many of the readers, and I am actually surprised how many there are (I have no idea where you came from), may be surprised that a blog about gaining good search engine rankings to make money from blogs gets little to no search engine traffic itself. It kind of goes to show you how important it is to pick the right niche (i.e never pick the MMO niche if you actually want to make money, this is just fun fun fun for me) and the importance of backlinks if you want to get anywhere. Oh, yeah, and a smattering of the dreaded keyword research too.

Anyway, as usual, at least when I am in the mood and not feeling grumpy or too burned out, I digress. This post is not about the lack of organic search traffic this site gets:

No, this is the WAKE UP CALL I talked about a few posts back in the comment section. I think I said something about writing an article that most of you will not want to hear and will really get you in a sweat and yet will allow you to make a lot more money.

Intriguing huh?

Want to learn how to be a loser at Internet marketing and waste your days and your nights and your weekends and get nowhere fast?

Sound familiar?

Then follow me my dear three readers, I have much to teach you πŸ˜‰

I am not singling you out Dude, I have been just as guilty of this as you are too, and to be honest we are all a bunch of idiots. Why are we involved in writing blogs or building websites?


So what the hell are you doing wasting most of your time doing what you are doing?

Ooh, Dave is getting all angry and shit. Well, not really no. Oh, and please tell me to stop talking to myself like that if I do it again, it is stupid, I know πŸ˜‰

So, what is Dave banging on about now (bugger, I just did it again didn’t I?)

What I am talking about is the hours, the days, and actually the months that I, and you, have wasted on nearly all of the sites that we own. I know some of you have a hundred, or even many hundreds of sites, that all add up to a good income, I don’t agree with that approach, but some people seem to be able to manage it.

No, what I am talking about is most of us. We have a good number of websites or blogs and we spend most of our time throwing our precious resources (us) away.

How many sites do you still work on even though they have made you no money? Or how many hours have you worked on a site that has given you next to no return?

How many sites have you made that are really hard to get to rank, yet you still go at it, even though it seems impossible to get a good listing. And what you do have simply does not convert?

Look, I have given out countless strategies to make money on the Internet. From buying 100 .info domains in 100 niches and putting ten posts in each of them and seeing which ones fly. From attacking very tough keywords with Hubpages or our own aged domains. And man, throw a big package from Backlinks Philippines or a Backlink Solutions run at an uber tough keyword and you can make some scary money very quickly if you are brave enough to cope with the article disappearing for a few days before it leaps to the top of the SERPS.

But what I have never advocated is banging your head against a brick wall.

I did this some time ago and for a long time until I finally woke up and smelled the proverbial coffee. What have you got that has ranked relatively easy and made you money?

What niche have you found that seems to be full of people that actually buy stuff?

What single site do you own that you like the most and still makes you money?

What single article have you got written that brings in money day after day or week after week?

So, and I guess that you can see it coming, why are you still messing around with all the other sites, pages, and posts that you have?

You can have a single article that can attack a myriad of keywords and make you a decent living. Get a couple of them and you are singing all the way to the bank.

No one said, well actually loads have people have, that you have to have a ton of sites to make a lot of money online. If you have a single post that makes money every day then why not go over it with a fine toothed comb and add in content to it? Add more header 2’s to it for all the associated keywords. Add more longtails throughout the text. Add in videos and links to other authority sites in that niche.

Make that single post that already makes you money the best damn piece of information on the whole of the disgrace that is t’Internet. Make it so good, so exactly what the searcher was looking for, and so damn fine that you would be proud to actually tell someone about it or hang it on your wall.

Who says that you cannot make a damn good living from 1 or maybe 2 or 3 single articles? Or certainly from a single site or two.

You may find this extreme but I know for a fact that most of you reading this spend most of your time chasing new stuff and spending most of your time writing content for your sites. I am, or at least was, very guilty of this. How many Hubs have you written that you never backlinked properly to see if you could actually make money? How much content have you written for your sites that you sent maybe 1 or 2 links to then moved on to the next? I think I must have thousands of such pieces of content myself. What a total waste of time.

Why do we do it?

If you have stuff that does well now, or does OK then have you actually worked it until it cannot be worked anymore? Is that piece of content or that site that makes you money number 1 in Google for its main term, its associated terms, and all the longtails too?

I bloody well doubt it.

Why do we all still keep on looking for new niches and writing more content when we make money from stuff we already have? We should, and actually we do, know that if we are already lucky enough to have found a single niche that converts at over 4% then we are actually pretty lucky. 4% of those that click an affiliate link and buy is average and many are much lower, if you have a niche or a page that does much better than that then you are actually one of the lucky few.

I have a couple of killer niches yet I still find myself dreaming of new niches and new sites that I want to make. I can’t help myself. It’s like crack for those that are too sensible to do hard drugs.

How Stupid I am

Let me show you what I am talking about. I just had a look at the earnings from one of our niches. Up until September this year it has made $60,000 give or take a few dollars here and there. And a lot of that has been made in the latter part of the period. And that is earnings from just part of the few affiliate networks it uses. It has made more than that overall but I can’t be bothered to check, I just know it makes plenty of money.

But I can’t help always chasing new stuff. Just, you know, in case. It’s those


again. They may come and destroy all my stuff so I need to find new things just in case.

I have begun to be more dedicated to getting my Amazon earnings up, partly just so my partner and best friend (dammit, from now on I am going to call my lovely lady my Wife, I hate having to try to think what the best word to use is, girlfriend sounds weird when you are talking about someone you have been with for nearly 20 years) can stop being so smug. Yes, my dear I know you have made $800 on Amazon in five days, thanks for sharing again my sweet. Love ‘ya.

So, 60 large ones from the partial earnings of a niche and I still can’t help spending days, weeks, and so much time doing other stuff that I do not even know if it will convert well. What the hell?

But, I am rather restrained. I always put most effort in to my content that makes money or that I know for sure will make money.

In the comments recently (which you really should subscribe to, the stuff recently by readers has been kick ass) I have been talking about how we should spend our time and the more I have been thinking about it the more I have raised my timelines for what we do each day. The best results come from backlinks to our content.

Don’t write another blog post unless you are going to go out and get at least 9 or 10 links to it. I don’t mean, “Oh, yeah, I will do that next week”

I mean, if you write a piece of content then do not do anything apart from get your 9 or 10 backlinks to it before you do anything else. At least give the poor thing a chance. Better yet do nothing but backlink content that you already have for a solid month, you are going to be in for a real shock at how you will alter your earnings, I guarantee it. Use my tools to succeed page for some great ways to get links. But generally you will have the most success with making money if you spend at least 90% of your whole time online making backlinks.

Be bold. I still get scared using the big forum profile packages.

Quite often the pages linked to or the whole site will DROP out of the listings. It gets scary. But this is a good thing. It shows that Google is just having a bit of a think. Go back to more normal link building for the site and in a few days or a week, ta da, some nice shiny new high rankings and more money in the pocket. Stay brave and never simply stop your normal linking to the site, that is exactly what many do and it is the opposite of how to keep those forum profile links having a massive effect.

You really cannot test to see if a niche converts if you are going to be happy with low SERPS listings. There really is such a difference between the bottom and top of page 1. Searchers think that Google is telling them that you are the site THEY trust when you are number 1. Sales and conversions then go up.

And this could be to a couple of posts that are winners or to just a few sites. There really is no need to have millions of sites, it can just make your head spin.

On a forum recently I said what I would do if I had to start all over again.

I would have 1 website about tech products and simply spend all of my time writing it and getting backlinks for content about reviews of the latest gadgets and gizmos and stuff like that. People always buy stuff like that. How do you think that would fare in 2 years time? Someone give it a go and report back in 2 years if the Internet is still alive. And don’t forget my commission.

And people always buy white socks, and sexy underwear, and books, and toys at Christmas, and expensive handbags, and cheap midget thongs, and designer belt buckles and best price made up spiggles and cheap imaginary bokkles for sale and discount bag hinges and ………………you get the idea I am sure.

The hardest part is just finding a niche that actually coverts. I mean, how gutting is it when you make a Hub and it gets 1500 people to it in one day and makes zero sales? Quite, I can tell you. But at least I tested the niche before building a site around it that would have taken months to rank in the same position the Hub did.

EDIT: Hooray, it made 2 sales the next day. $30 dollars for me, which has now covered the Backlinks Philippines run it had.

Find a good niche and let loose on it. Once you do find a good niche, and it is much easier said than done, then what they hell are you doing looking for new niches? You have your goldmine there in front of you yet you continue to waste your precious time when you could spend the next year or so on one site or even just a few articles and retire to your dream location.

Me, I am off to try to see if the fishing spackkle for sale niche converts well, I have a feeling I could be on to a real winner this time.

And to finish off in a totally unrelated vein, I was reading something yesterday by way of a commenters link and it is something many should be wary of. If you are linking to your site i.e http://www.makingmoneyontheinternetfree.info/

be consistent. Don’t do a link to http://www.makingmoneyontheinternetfree.info/ and then a link to http://www.makingmoneyontheinternetfree.info

Different URL’s.

Same goes for the www. Be consistent. This is something I learned a long time ago and reading it yesterday reminded me that it is very easy to get a link with the / at the end sometimes and not other times.

How is that for a nice little tip of the day?

Anyway, I am off to see if the spackkle niche converts.

I may be some time…………….

Give it a go. If you write something backlink it with a vengeance before you add any more content. Better yet, have a solid month off from writing your content and do nothing but backlinks. You really will be astounded at the difference it makes to your income.

Spackkles away.

  89 Responses to “How To Be A Loser At Internet Marketing”

  1. Looks like someone bought Backlink Hydra and liked it!

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I am to tight to pay out that kind of money. But I read through the backlinks forum and there was some good stuff there. http://backlinksforum.com/ for everyone reading, and please see the comments in the previous article here too. As I stated at the end of this post there were a few things there that I should have mentioned to folks here a long time ago, but you kind of forget that some things that are important need to actually be mentioned.

    Do you think the hydra report is worth the money? I really struggle with paying out for anything to read about this game, it goes against my penny pinching principles. Are you saying that my approach is similar? Although obviously in a slightly more alcohol induced, potato headed way?

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Just did a check on Backlinks Hydra. It’s basically all about getting links from sites that display one large piece of auto generated text with anchored links in them.

    The first Hydra website that I checked out was sympria.com. It’s not even indexed at the moment.

    I’m surprised that auto link tools such as UAW and Hydra even work at all. Why does G not slap these networks to zero linkjuice?

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It can happen Dude, to any network but you just have to get on with it while the going is good. i.e Postrunner.

  2. I completely agree with you Dave. I’m now focusing on two sites (both in niches I enjoy & where there’s money to be made), and my stress levels have gone way down.

    I’m glad I never got into the whole ‘millions of mini sites’ model – my original 30 odd sites was too much for me lol

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    Hey Cat,

    Good for you. I really do think that once folks actually find a money making niche then it really does pay to go all out on them. Finding them is the hard part but I much prefer that business model to trying to cope with hundreds of sites all pulling in a little bit each.

    But, of course, each to their own, and if folks make money from the scattergun approach then I certainly can’t criticize.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Starr Reply:

    @Cat, I agree completely as well … I am guilty of ‘start a site’ enthusiasm, but then rapidly lose interest. It’s ever so much better to focus only on a few things, especially one that interests you … I mean some people love writing about “White Socks”, but for me, that would be like getting a root canal … but never ending πŸ˜‰

    It’s amazing that after all these years of niche sites and all the thousands of “make it easier” tools that are sold, no one has built a real “Site Manager” tool that would automate and keep constant track of multi-niche sites … when the last article was submitted, when back links change, etc.

    Nothing like the feeling of searching in a niche, finding a little neglected MFA site, starting to laugh at it, and then realizing it’s yours from years gone by LoL.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Dave Starr,

    I am sure I will be doing that too in a few years time, although I am seriously considering selling off a load of sites. Well, I would if I knew how to do it!

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Cat Reply:

    @Dave Starr,

    that would be like getting a root canal

    haha, I agree. I’d probably make money more quickly I wasn’t fussy about my subject matter, but I just don’t have the self-discipline to be bored all day!

  3. Dave, Another great post. I am 1 year into my IM journey and can tell you that I was ALWAYS looking for the next niche up until a few months ago. I would build a site and send it a few links and then just HAD to find the next good keyword to build another site around. Then a few months ago I looked and realized I had over 40 sites and there is just not enough time to properly link to all of them.

    So in the last few months I have done almost 100% backlinking to less than 10 of those sites. Mayday kicked my ass in the beginning of June, just when I was about to cross the $1K/month mark. Knocked me down to a couple of hundred bucks in June. But I am back to about $1K and hope to blow it away this month. And half of that is from 1 Amazon site that I built in May and ranks in the top 20 for almost all 25 posts, but not #1 for any of them yet. If I can get them all to #1 that one site just might get me to a Thai island near yours!

    The real question is what to do with all those other sites? Sell them? Let them sit and collect there few adsense clicks? they all at least pay their domain fee so are not costing me anything. I wonder how many others have the same problem?

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Sounds like that Amazon site is going to be a serious earner. Once you get a load of top listings the money really will shoot up big time. It is a tough decision as to what to do with the other sites if they are going to get even less attention. If what they earn would cover it then I would personally just use some automated backlinks tools once in a while to keep them steady and maybe earning a little more over time. But if even that amount time outweighs the rewards then I would sell them and be done so you can focus on the real money makers.

  4. yes, the nice thing about this business is that there are so many different ways to make it work. I think different methods suit different personality types. I’ve just come to realise that I’d rather focus more narrowly – trying to work on too many things just leaves me feeling brain-fried.

    Having said that, I’m hanging on to my general site, where I can indulge my ADD side occasionally by targeting random topics that catch my interest but don’t fit on my main sites. I don’t spend much time doing that, but sometimes I just want to write about something completely different, and having a single site for all that stuff beats buying a new domain for every new niche that attracts my attention!

  5. Do creating different url’s really make a difference i mean surely


    makes it all look more natural to google if the site had just normal links from normal people they would all use different types some would copy and past from their browser others would type it out leaving out the / iv only ever thought about it briefly and never thought it would make any significant difference.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    Len the problem is that all those links would only improve the rankings to that specific url. While it would look natural it will not improve the serps results as far as I can tell for your most used url if you get links to any other variation.

    Tammy I think it is 500 a month for Postrunner. My 90% rule is totally that, just my rule. But many people reckon at least 80% of your time should be spent backlinking. For me it is just a real wake up call to ensure that content written on sites at least gets a partial chance to rank. And let’s face it, anything competitive is going to need a lot more than 9 links unless you find some pretty kick ass sites to get the links from.

  6. Hey Dave,

    Excellent post. I am guilty of looking for the next niche and was lazy about backlinks. I have never heard that you should spend 90% of your time backlinking so needless to say most of my sites are not ranking for any secondary kws as I focused on the home page only.

    I’m like Cat in that I now have about 40 domains and need to figure out what to do with them as most have content and even pay for themselves however most of the niches are not that interesting to me.

    I have one site that I am focusing on this month with all the PostRunner articles (only 67 more to go!) , a Backlinks Philippines package and using some other backlink pkgs that I picked up but have never used. I am actually excited to see how much my site will move up for different kws.

    Question for you about PostRunner…do you know if you can post more than 100 articles /month?

  7. @ Tammy

    I’ve managed up to 480 without any issues.
    I think there’s a ceiling at 500.
    Am planning on finding out this month unless Dave beats me to it πŸ˜›

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, When writing hundred of articles, you run out of PostRunner blogs quite quickly. I’ve done around 230 articles for one of my websites and there are hardly any directories left.

    Is the the point where you simply start putting second articles on all the blogs where you already have an article?

    Do you still get a good boost from that in the serps?

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    I tested this out last month. Put an article on a PR 5 blog for a site. Waited for the SERPs to move since it is a low comp niche. Then put 5 more. The site went from NΒΊ21 to NΒΊ16 to NΒΊ4 in just under a month.

    So yes, I’d say it works. I think linking to different pages or using slight variations of the anchor text might help as well though I haven’t tested that yet.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    Also look at it this way. All the directories in there already have links going out to other people’s hubpages, but the new ones we add to our own hubs do make a lot of difference. Sure it isn’t a fair comparison, but it is food for thought.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    We are in a similar situation too. I present to you Build My Rank. I am joining today. They have hundreds of sites in their network. All between PR1 and PR6 and they work on the articles submitted. No spun stuff just like Postrunner so they have a low number of people in their system.

    You can join for free and submit 10 articles then it is $59 a month. Cheaper than BS but a bit more than Postrunner (if you pay). I am switching to them for some of sites that have had all the good links from Postrunner so I will do a write up in a month or so after I have seen the results.

    Worth a go if you have used up all the Postrunner sites and want to spend some of the money you made.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, WOW!
    This just made my day!
    Thank you Dave.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Build My Rank Reply:


    Thanks for the mention Dave! We’ve got right at 750 domains and add more every month.


    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Build My Rank,

    Cool John, I will be signing up and paid up tomorrow after having a few “off grid living issues” today.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Great shit going on here. I’m only getting 20 uniques per day and that’s not enough to make sales every day yet. Don’t have much to reinvest back so will stick with PostRunner for a little while longer. I want to see more results before I try something new.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Blackthorne, I can submit an article for you through my UAW account if you want, so you can see how that works out for you?

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Billy, I’ve already got UAW. But thanks for offering anyway!

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Reply:


    That’s amazing Dave. Sold!

    I know you’ll be doing a good writeup of it soon but how do you feel about 150 words with 1 link?

    Back in the day, Post Runner was 150 words (but I forgot if it was 1 or 2 links allowed per post?) and they had major indexing problems which eventually lead to its rebirth into what we all know and love now. But who knows, I’m sure they also had a lot of problems because people weren’t building links to their sites also.

    Do you think you’ll still stick to 300 words or maybe do a 50/50 approach for diversity? I’m also curious to know how you rotate your anchor texts. Say you do 10 postrunners, and your main keyword was “white socks” – how many times do you link out with that text and how many times do you use related keywords?

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Well, we had a good day with build my rank today, with 50 plus article submitted. All were pretty short at just over 150 words. Some are live already which shows diligence on the owners behalf as they are checked manually.

    So far the sites that have live articles are from PR1 to PR4 but there are tons still to go live. I checked via the dashboard there and a good number of the live articles are indexed which shows real promise.

    I can’t tell you how nice and easy it is to not have to aim for 300 words, it flows nice and quick with an article done in a few minutes, but I will mix it up more tomorrow with longer articles too. Just wanted to test out short articles today.

    Steve I have to say that I think link diversity is bull. If you want to rank for white socks get links for white socks.

    I normally go for a main term then a few other keywords too. Often in H2’s in a post. Unless you have major authority then if you want to rank then get links for those terms.

    But in my limited experience anchor text variation is a waste of time unless you want to rank for the term.

    I do big blasts over various networks for the same terms over and over and rank for them and I even took my advice about making an extra $1000 a month in the article here not so long ago and am nailing it. Super high competitive term, and just get links for the exact anchor over and over. Easily going to be more than an extra $1000 for the month. With already an average of 3-5 sales a day at about $15 commission.

    This is why I now use a few tools. Those results are nigh on impossible to get doing only manual work without a quick system like postrunner in place. Although backlinks philippines has been a life saver for us too.

    I just wish that talking about these things did not make me come across as touting stuff for affiliate money but it goes against my principles (earning money) to not use an affiliate link if there is one.

    But hey, I just tell what I am up to and people can make up their own minds, it’s tough to really get through how much easier some things make this game.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Reply:


    Thanks Dave πŸ˜‰

    That’s what I was really thinking about myself, that last post you had in which you said you don’t worry so much about anchor text variation very much – if not at all.

    I’ve been shifting towards that direction myself and I took that advice and tried an experiment on an old site of mine to see what would happen. It’s roughly 8-10 months old and I nearly forgot about it until the other day I happened to check it and saw it ranking in the high 190s for its main keyword.

    I blasted it with 100 postrunners and saw it peak up into the high 90s before the google dance took its effect and claimed it’s traffic πŸ˜‰ That doesn’t worry me, because I KNOW it’ll be back stronger then ever in a few weeks, but I do have to admit I am a bit nervous because I literally sent 90 of the same anchor texts to the homepage which is something I wasn’t so keen on doing before. I’ll continue link building this site with BMR and a forum profile run to see what happens. I was always one of those guys who believed in link diversity but after doing some testing I am going to agree with you and start to call bull on it because it’s certainly not hurting me at all. I’ve been trying this on other sites too and I’ve seen it work very well so going forward into the future I think I am going to stop worrying about diversity completely. I’ve definitely seen my income and rankings go way up as a result of this.

    I do have to say though, I’ve always noticed that the most important thing you can do to a site during the G dance is to make sure you add mountains of fresh content to the domain itself, especially if you want to keep building links. I always notice that as I do this and the amount of trust I have is adjusted, I’ll start getting trickle traffic for new terms I am targeting.

    If i am targeting white socks, I’ll fire up those h1/h2 tags/new post titles and start trying to target blue socks, white socks for kids, white socks for dogs and see what pulls in traffic. I think you’ve said this before, but a good thing to keep in mind is that every time you add a post to your website you really do add to the overall authority of the domain, then once you see what brings in traffic you just keep adding new posts for that. What I’ve also noticed that is cool is eventually when you become a true authority for your topic you’ll just rank for the “sub keywords” you are targeting without links at all. The better I (like to think I am at this) become at this, the more I realize that Google is not the mythical creature I thought it was at first, and it’s just an algo ranking things as it sees it. If G starts thinking you are relevant for “cute pink socks”, then for the love of good, create a post and prove to them that you are. And as you say Dave, that’s how you create your own keyword tool!

    Oh, sh!%, wait a second… This is starting to sound like Deja Vu, I wonder where I have heard all of this before πŸ˜‰

    After a whole bunch of rambling I just want to say thanks for pushing me to try this for myself, I’ll let you know how that one site ends up doing as the keyword is moderately competitive but something I know I can rank for – it’s just a matter of time. I’m going to go ahead and pump out a ton of 150-200 word posts for BMR and see what happens in the mean time.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Good comment Dude and couldn’t agree more. Day 2 with build my rank and I am amazed that all the posts are published already and with loads of good PR sites too. I am definitely going to be using them a lot from now on.

    It is scary when sites disappear but you are right about continuing on as normal, it sure does take a lot of faith though.

  8. @Wishal

    You’ve done 480 articles just this month? Hokey Dina! Here I am thinking that I would be cranking it out at 100 articles – I am already getting tired of my topic but if it helps with my rankings than it would be worth the effort. πŸ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    Tammy you have to think that 100 Postrunners is just over 3 a day for a month. That should take you half an hour if you just sit there are write 3 in a row. Focus with no distractions is very important for stuff like Postrunner. Just sit there for an hour and be mind numbingly bored and write 6 articles just re-wording the same stuff, you get in to a quick groove and before you know it you have yourself 12 links.

    Hey Carrie, sorry to disturb the mental faculties but glad that it has helped you focus in on what sites are important.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tammy Reply:


    Yes it is only 3 per day IF you start on day 1 however I waited (ok procrastinated) to try it out so now I am trying to cram my 100 posts in. I had actually signed up for KWA a few weeks before I came across your blog so hadn’t known the advantages of using PR for article marketing. As for writing with no distractions well…that is a little harder with two little people who do what they do best – make distractions!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Oh dear, I find it hard enough with 3 annoying Dogs so I can’t imagine what it would be like for you. The main thing is that anything you do is better than nothing, which is what a lot of people do and wonder why they make no money.

    The more the better of course but it has to go with our lifestyles, me the only thing that gets in the way is the vino o’clock time. 5PM πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    That was last month. This month I am all for getting an email from the PsR people telling me 500 is my limit. πŸ˜›

  9. Dave, get out of my head.

    This was a great post as I have been thinking the same thing but really needed to hear it from someone else. In fact, I’m gonna modify my year end goals thanks to your advice. I really need to zero in on my sites that are already earning.

  10. Yup that’s me.

    In fact I wrestle with this all the time. Should I work on the sites that make my the most money or let them sit and quietly make money while I work on the small sites that don’t make squat. It’s a constant struggle to know what to focus on. Although now until Christmas it’s Amazon Amazon Amazon.

    I get distracted a lot. And you guys talking about Backlinks Hydra are NOT making it EASY. Now I’ve gone and read the salespage about 10 times with my finger over the buy button. Arrghgh!!! I know enough to make money online – stop tempting me with more secrets and riches .. πŸ™ Maybe I’ll just read it again .. no no no tracey .. stay focused.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I was tempted by Backlinks Hydra too after the guys mentioned it, and the research Terry Kyle did about PR that was mentioned in the comments of the last article. But I have a real problem paying basically $100 for a small digital book. But what if it changed your whole approach?

    It gets worse when you actually know how to make money online doesn’t it?

    Is there really something you are missing out on? I really don’t know but would appreciate some tips on what he talks about, although I can’t see myself buying it for that money. Stupid really as I am sure I read he gives a money back guarantee, but this whole e-book thing really gets me. If it was the price of a paperback then no problems.

    And yeah, Amazon all the way baby. It has started already with people buying more random stuff.

  11. Dave,

    I’m about to purchase MAS/MAR. I signed up for the $7 seven day trial of the best spinner, and although I loved it, I still couldn’t face the prospect of submitting all those unique articles by hand…so I did a bunch of extra work (I write content for others for a living) and got the money to get this product….am going to get it through your affiliate link of course πŸ™‚

    I wonder if you could comment on a couple of things though….

    First, suppose that a person (like me lol) understands how to make money with Adsense and Amazon (put up 100 hubs and use MAR/MAS to give each hub hundreds of keyword anchored links spaced out over time) but what about the person that wants to have money coming in right away, rather than waiting 2 or 3 months for Amazon or Google to pay…..I have purchased some Ebooks with resell rights and written some killer sales pages…but the niches are high competition for the main keyword and if I write content on the site to target lower competition keywords then I have no guarantee of customer making it to the sales page since they will be on a page with content rather than the sales page…any solutions for that?

    Also, wonder if you could comment on whether or not the new Google “psychic” search will affect MMO and IM and whether or not their process for ranking will change with this new added feature….in essence..I want to know if we have to relearn anything and what specifically we have to re-learn if so…

    Sorry if these are stupid questions….off to buy MAR/MAS now πŸ˜€ I’m excited!


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    the purchase would be appreciated as always. I will never say no to some money πŸ˜‰

    I am not sure what you really mean about targeting lower competition keywords but not getting them to your sales page. Can you simply not use those longtails as part of the sales page? Surely you can then simply rank the sales pages for those more longtail terms. Or, and it will decrease the sales, you will just have to ensure that the other pages that you get traffic for can be funneled to the main sales page, some clever wording and good copy should sort that out, but obviously not as effective as if they were coming to the main killer sales page.

    But to be honest I don’t do clickbank, I found it very tough and not the easiest way to make money, so many people will have more experience with that type of set up and killer landing page style of layout.

    I would not worry about all the new introductions and tweaks, the main basic search engines are still going to be what nearly everyone uses for a long time to come. Content, backlinks, and then do it again and again and ………………..

    UPDATE: I did forget to add though that you really should now more than ever be making sure that what comes up in the drop down menu and the auto complete when you type in to Google are terms that you either have posts for or are in H2’s in your content.

    More and more people are be going to be clicking or scrolling to those other terms if they are similar to what they are searching for. And apart from anything else they are one of the simplest and best ways to do keyword research in minimal time. The new Google instant that I am seeing today will not effect rankings but I would certainly be looking more and more at the auto complete results and the other keyword options that show up, if you have not been doing so already.

    It’s one of the best tips ever for finding great keywords that you know people are searching for.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Dave, I finally installed threaded comments so our jabberings should run a little smoother now OK. Everyone can interact a little better to a particular comment if they want to, or just post their own new killer content for all to see. Great thing is it seems to have backdated the whole site too.

    Gracias Dave.

    De Nada

  12. Hi Dave, thanks for another great article.
    Best regards,

  13. I hear what you are saying about concentrating on a few sites. The problem is the boredom factor. I am however, trying to curb my habit and instead of buying new sites, just writing a hub or two instead.

    In the real world of work, people have been made redundant where I am so I want to get up earnings up asap so that I can get off this sinking ship sooner rather than later.

    Thanks for sharing your knowlege.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    Tiptop I saw on your latest earnings report about the job situation, sounds worrying. Man, my boredom threshold is not good but I have been sucking it up for months now, well probably a year, remember the little popular Dudes last year that were all the rage πŸ˜‰ I think I have been bored most days ever since then doing repetitive stuff.

    Having a week long break last week was actually the best thing we could have done. Although now having found a HOT item for this year I am already bored to tears with it. Only been a day too. Aargggh, over 3 more months to go…….then relax.

    Sorry about the job worries, I am sure that is the last thing you need to worry about. Maybe be your own boss this time next year?

  14. “It’s like crack for those that are too sensible to do hard drugs.”

    Dave, I just love this quote! It begs to be on a t-shirt or something, could be prefixed with anything.
    “Women. Like crack for those that are too sensible to do hard drugs.”
    “Cars. Like crack for those that are too sensible to do hard drugs”

    Er, anyway. Great post!
    I think my personal problem was chasing the paper too zealously. I’d erg a domain and throw some content up in a niche I couldn’t care less about, wait for it to rank, get bummed out when it didn’t make any money, and then repeat the process over and over.
    Now I appreciate the importance of backlinking more and can see the effects this has it’s far easier to stick to the Postrunner regimen and see it through to the bitter end or to the bank.
    I usually do a 300 minimum word Postrunner on the Blackberry on the way to work and then one or two on the way home and then a few before bed. Sure makes the commute go quicker and is a great use of the time! Routine is good for cracking Postrunners, whatever routine you choose to fit your schedule, stick to it as best you can.
    And people say it all the time regarding MMO and blogging etc but picking a niche you dig makes it so much more bearable. Not always possible but it sure helps!

    And congrats on the new reply thinger. Very welcome indeed.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Sounds like a man with a plan. Feel free to steal my slogan πŸ˜‰

    That is a good use of time there and every little helps as I am sure you are finding out.

    And yeah, an interesting niche is a very cool thing to have. I am just pleased I love white socks so much πŸ˜‰

  15. Hi

    Couple of things

    1. Use whois protection on all your sites. Seriously. I had all my accounts hacked into recently. I am freaked out about privacy now.

    2. BL Hydra: I love Terry Kyle, but I don’t think this will change your whole approach. He talks at length about aged sites, sites with PR, buying aged domains, etc. I love Terry Kyle, and the stuff is good, but at $100 it’s your call.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Hello Me, that sounds odd saying that!

    Good tips and I certainly do need to get round to doing that for some old sites.

    Thanks for the comments about the Hydra report, but it does seem pricey. I think I will plod along with my limited knowledge for now.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Jim Reply:

    @Me @Dave,
    I not sure Whois makes any difference to hackers or not. All my sites are Whois protected as a matter of course because a) Namecheap offer it free on all .com purchases, or at least they did when I bought my last domain name a few weeks ago, and b) because I too value my privacy and don’t want my name and address out there for all to see. Having said all of this I was recently the victim of a good, hard hacking which has affected a few of my sites. Very costly to diagnose and remedy.

    Now, I use a Namecheap unlimited hosting account which sounds great but is a bit naive because all of the domains/sites sit in a sub folder of whatever your primary site is, so once one site has been compromised, all of the others are potentially at risk, which was probably what happened in my case.

    My advice would be;
    1) Use separate hosting accounts for each site if you can afford to.
    2) Always upgrade to the latest version of WordPress if that’s your platform.
    3) Have only a manageable amount of sites so you can check for suspicious activity regularly.
    4) Get a security plug-in that will alert you of suspect activity
    5) Kill or maim all hackers.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Good points. It is why we at least have our sites split between different hosting accounts (currently 3). It is definitely the main drawback with wordpress that it needs updating so often.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    True that about BL Hydra. Only once you’ve gone ahead and done everything in the A 30 Day Guide To Making $1000 should you need it. Till then, make sure that every dollar spent on PostRunner counts.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    My Postrunner account is FREE thanks to you lot πŸ˜‰ Plus BS, Backlinks Philippines and MAR etc etc.

    Aah, the joys of having a MMO no one ever visits!!!

  16. I’ve been smashing out 10 articles a day to one of my hubs that i wrote 10 days ago, it has around 100 links yet isn’t indexed. i didn’t think it was possible to go too hard too quickly with hubs?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Nor did I. If it is not indexed something weird is going on. Normally they index in minutes and all those Postrunners should see it ranking. Never heard of it happening before, so not sure what to say.

    Let’s see if anyone has any tips. Have you just social bookmarked it as well? Although it really should not need it.

  17. I know some folk are afraid of google. But I use a google bookmark to get all my sites inndexed in less than 24 hours. Never saw the big deal in staying away from google bookmarks.

    Sometimes we make stuff too complicated and mystical. Just like another school of thought is that we need to bookmark, rss, ping, do a cartwheel, walk backwards ten steps, all of the backlinks we create. As if creatIng the backlinks themselves don’t already create enough work

    I’m just not doing that. I say do the backlinks and in time inall will fall in place naturallyProblem is I M in and of itself has created a get it quick culture. Well nuff of my rant…… OH and certainly not going to engage in a debate why I SHOULD do all that stuff I just mentioned to my backlinks. LOL

  18. I just wanted to share a little bit of knowledge that will help with this.

    I am not sure if this is common knowledge, but this is a trick I use to increase my rankings dramatically. I’ve also found that isolating pages and focusing on them like a laser is an excellent way of increasing their rankings – but I’m sure a lot of people have the question, “Which one of my pages is best for “.

    If you use:

    site:yoururlhere.com yourkeywordhere

    Google will look at your site and actually tell you which page it believes on your site is the strongest and most trusted for that keyword. I’ve found this to be extremely useful if I have targeted multiple buying keywords and have many post titles on my website that all have “buy” “cheap” etc. What you can do is then find which page is the strongest and try to pump that for its keyword, but also don’t forget that you can use the other stronger ones to link internally to your own articles. If you think about it, as you are increasing the strength of the inner pages of your sites, you are quickly becoming the authority for that phrase, so passing that link juice around internally will help you a lot to climb the SERPs for the keywords you are targeting.

    While building links is the bread and butter of ranking anything, don’t forget that getting your internal link structure and on-page SEO right can be something that your competition hasn’t done which can give you a huge advantage that will possibly result in you needing fewer links in the long run from external sites.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Great tips there Dude. Internal linking is very important and it really can give you a surprising boost in the SERPS if you do what you suggest.

    Hopefully everyone will now go out and do what you suggest if they do not do it as a matter of course as they work, although using your tip and seeing what Google thinks are the most relevant posts for the keyword should give everyone some new on site places to put links.

    Great comment Steve.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:


    “site:yoururlhere.com yourkeywordhere”

    Great tip! Never thought of doing this, but I really like it.


    Vote -1 Vote +1isol78 Reply:


    thank you!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Andy Reply:

    @Steve, +1. I like!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Reply:


    Thanks guys, treat it well and it will do the same for you, I promise!

    Hey Dave, are you ready for forums yet? πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    You mean as part of this site? Don’t think so, judging by all the spam attacks Ben’s forum gets http://www.forum.makemoneyonlinewithseo.com/index.php it would be a lot of hassle, it’s OK just chatting in the comments isn’t it?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Steve Reply:


    It definitely is. I can actually only imagine how many spammers in the MMO niche must be looking to do forum bombing with their products.


    Being an Internet Marketer and all, I can’t help but think of new questions to ask, so Dave, in your experience do you find that you get traffic for a lot of terms/keywords in the comments or do you believe that the Google bot can’t read anything in the comments at all?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I definitely think that comments can be read by the bots, I just won’t use this site as an example as I am in the imaginary sandbox big time πŸ˜‰ Hey ho.

    But I don’t get any traffic from keywords in comments for my profitable niches.


    They don’t get comments. Sometimes I make $300 plus a day from a site that has 3 comments. Truth is people come looking for a product, click a link to buy and are gone.

    Certainly makes life easier.

  19. Great. I feel like you were with me in Confessional. Not that I ever went.

    Great tips, Dave. Gutting, but true as usual. And for the record – fishing spackkle DOES convert – at 5% no less.

    3 backlinks.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @JamestheJust on Elance,

    Don’t you go stealing my Spackle niche there James.

  20. Dave,

    Sorry to ask another question, but I remember that you said that it takes you about a half hour to set up an article with MAR. It is taking me about 2 hours. I wondered if you will take me at what percent uniqueness you get to before you go ahead and submit. I have been shooting for 70 percent uniqueness, because there were seven hundred potential directories, but now I realize that all but a couple hundred or so will be skipped because of the category mismatch.

    That’s another good point though. I have been using the category suggestions, after typing in the general idea of what my article is about (for instance “stop smoking” if my article is about some form of smoking cessation. I notice that most directories get skipped. Any advice on how to increase the number of directories submitted to, without pissing off the directory admins by putting stuff in the wrong categories?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Andy Reply:

    @AdamEckart, Chill out on the uniqueness. This is something I used to waste a lot of time on as well.

    Write your article – rewrite each sentence once (this should get you to about 10% unique) – then spin it quickly (you’ll be up to 40% very quicky) – you can go in and do a bit more to raise it up to 50%.

    In my opinion, MAS is a waste of time. Much better to go for something like Backlink Solutions.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    We were talking about how much fewer article directories show up high in the search engines at the moment.I think the whole resource box may well now be a big flag for ranking well. And from experience links in post are definitely worth so much more.

    And forum links are working amazingly well, as you can see in the new video on the sidebar πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Andy Reply:


    I’ll plead the 5th.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I go for about 50% but I use them for BS not MAS so I don’t know if that is good enough but I get the feeling that it is. For the MAS submission just pick a lot of general category terms, i.e health, fitness, medicine etc. What is the worst that can happen?

    I would get it submitted to as many categories that may even loosely be related and see what happens.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Andy Reply:


    Also, you can save time by doing multiple spins at the same time if they are on the same topic. Then with good use of the “replace all” button in MAR you can get each article fairly well spun (about 40%) then finish them off individually.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @AdamEckart, The problem with MAR’s spin score is that it’s way too high. A lot higher than what most other spinners would have you believe.

    Paste your 50% spin article in Dupecop for instance and see what score that gives you.

  21. Hey everyone, just looking for a bit of advice.

    One of the pages of my Amazon site, regarding a product in my niche, was ranking quite well but has now sunk in the SERPs. It started off at the bottom of page 3 with no work at all so I sent it about 15 or so backlinks using Postrunner over about 2 weeks. It moved to the top of page 2 so I sent it a few more over a few days. I checked this weekend and its now dropped to page 6! Is this normal? Anything to be concerned about?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Jim, Keeps happening to my hubs all the time. I tried doing this analysis once over what %ge of existing links you’d have to trip to make it happen. It came out to somewhere between 1.2X and 4X. Totally random results so I abandoned the experiment. Worry not. Check again in 5 days. You should be higher up than before.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Wishal, That’s 120% to 400% for you lot who’re bad at math. Shit I said %ge and wrote the next half in times. PsR is making me stupid.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I hear that. It melts the brain. Now I get to repeat it all with Build My Rank starting tomorrow. My bloody Inverter melted so it has been wiring for me today and being scared of electrocution rather than backlink making.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Jim, I agree with Wishal, hang tight for a few days. Often this is a good sign as it comes back even stronger than before.

    t x

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    What is referred to as the GOOGLE DANCE. Happens to everyone and that is a mild case.

    How about ranking for tons of terms and a whole site then gone for weeks. Happens all the time for new sites or when you send a lot of backlinks. Carry on as normal (though it is hard) and you will be back and ranking better soon.

    EDIT: Remind me to read others comments before I reply, thanks Tracey and Wishal.

    xxx For Tracey only πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Jim Reply:

    Ah but of course, the much fabled Google dance! I’ll keep a keen eye on things and hope the ranking improves.

    Thanks to all for the advice!

  22. Since I got this MAR/MAS software now, I just thought I would lay out my new plan for MMO, and see if anyone has any thoughts. I will also keep everyone updated to let you know if it works.

    I plan on adding 500 Hubs over the next three months

    Each hub will be based around a keyword with 1000-2000 exact searches per month
    keywords must not have an existing hub with the same exact keyword
    Each hub will have 5 extra keywords as subheadings that have a decent amount of searches
    Each 2 hubs will be one set based around a certain topic
    one MAR/MAS article will be submitted per 2 hubs..with various keyword anchored links

    I will monetize with Adsense & Amazon

    What I’m hoping for is an average of 5 views per day per hub after the backlinks from MAR/MAS kick in for a total of 1500 views per day, around 50 clicks per day which should equal about $25 bucks a day from Adsense and around $25 bucks a day commission from Amazon Sales.

    I just need a sure-fire project that will give me a decent income so that I can work on some sites that I have been letting age and actually spend the time to learn about new methods and new money making techniques.

    Any thoughts?

  23. Dave – Before the big algo change, micro sites were easy to rank and put up….I have hundreds of them and about 1/2 still have rankings (some bad, some decent, none really good)….

    I have started working on some of the ones that I really like. The problem is goog freakin’ hates them (they were all ranked in the top 10 before mayday).

    In your opinion, am I going to have to add hundreds of pages of get these damn things to rank again? Something is obviously wrong for them because the keywords are pathetically easy!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Adsense I presume?

    Never my strong point or my preference. But, and I am no Guberooo, a bit of regular content for a month, different themes on the sites (i.e no themes that “the crowd” use for adsense sites, and continual backlinks SHOULD sort them out.

    I really think those standard adsense themes are in the algo filter. I don’t see why you need hundreds of posts but some regular updates may be the key.

    Personally I would pick a few and treat them like your favorite client, extra care and attention and make it amicable, and just design the site like something you would expect to see as a searcher if you were looking for the terms.

    Adsense sucks πŸ˜‰

    Sell stuff instead. Although maybe the sites are for products?

    Vote -1 Vote +1DMace Reply:

    @Dave, yeah, not adsense…..physical products. I will shoot you an email with one example!

    Vote -1 Vote +1DMace Reply:

    @DMace, damn, no contact page on this site!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Think about what my name is and my site, you can then email me. I don’t advertise it as I know how much you lot like to chat πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1DMace Reply:

    @Dave, Genius! Email sent!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Yeah, nice one. Now I am getting loads of emails.

    Stop it you lot. Busy busy busy.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dusty Reply:

    @Dave, Yeah…my bad…buy you did help out immensely….you could always delete that comment πŸ™‚

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