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Feb 282011
 

I have a big post lined up but it will be a while. A few peeps have asked for a new post so here is something we can all get involved in.

So, let’s talk money. I have disabled the logging so I can’t see who votes so let’s see how well everyone is doing. Leave your answer and let’s have a chat about how much you think people should be earning after a while in this game. I will not be talking about how much I earn, but I do wonder what do you think someone who writes this kind of site should be earning.

A thousand dollars a month? That is a lot of money. $2K, $5K, $50K? I wonder what everyone thinks is a good wage a month in Internet Marketing?

How Much Do You Earn Each Month From The Internet

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In a few weeks there will be a monster post but with over 400 comments on the last post it is time to break up this site a little so let me know what you want from the future earnings wise and how do you think you have done. It will be interesting for everyone to see how they compare to each other, I have a feeling I know what a lot of the answers are going to be.

Any tips and tricks you have to help others out is always cool.

 Posted by at 4:06 pm

  162 Responses to “How Much Do Internet Marketers Earn”

  1. Very good idea! Would help to motivate I’m sure.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @moles,

    Let’s hope we get some votes then πŸ˜‰

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1moles Reply:

    @Dave, Hey Dave, I realise this probably isn”t the best place to ask (not sure where else to do so) but I was wondering if you could have a look at my website and give me some pointers (cheeky, I know). I have got it ranking between 1 and 2 for the term in the domain name depending on the day. Its not converting great but is a site that I made over a year ago and want to work on it now that it has age. Will be changing posts according to your AWESOME amazon post. If you wouldn’t mind giving it a quick once over I would be ever so grateful. Thanks!

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @moles,

    I will give you a rundown tomorrow. I have Cava calling to me from the other room so I am outta here for the night.

    Mmmmmmmmmmm

    Vote -1 Vote +1moles Reply:

    @Dave, Wow, a legend of IM is going to look at my site…. feeling a little worried now πŸ™‚ Means the world to me. Thanks Dave. Enjoy your tipple.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @moles,

    Here we go Dude.

    DEFINITES:

    More color on the site.
    Smaller header.
    Remove all trace of a date from the theme, it ages the site and may also show in search results. Top and bottom.
    Link all images direct to Amazon and use alt tags.
    Larger call to action, use bold or H2’s and put them on their own line, preferably centered.
    You need to include your keywords in the first paragraph of text, preferably the first line.
    You need to write more of your own text including many more keywords. For sale, buy, best price, price etc. It will make an amazing amount of difference.
    You MUST use the Amazon T and C that is on the bottom of my privacy policy page. They insist on it.

    OPTIONAL:
    Add images of payments accepted.
    Try larger images.
    Try a buy button.
    Try a “Click for more reviews and pricing” or something similar and don’t mention Amazon.
    Remove any trace of a comment form.
    Add links direct to price categories and brands on the side bar.
    Add a special deal or bestseller on the sidebar.
    Wrap all text properly around the images.
    Add H2’s with buying keywords throughout each post and then use them in the text.

    And then backlink that baby on up the SERPS!

    Vote -1 Vote +1JanisG Reply:

    @Dave,
    Wow! Great tips!
    What you mean by ‘Amazon T and C that is on the bottom of my privacy policy page’ ? You have Compensation Disclosure with Privacy Policy included on this site πŸ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @JanisG,

    Um, yeah, that’s what I meant πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @JanisG, It has to be somewhere on the site. Not necessary for all pages unless I missed something.

    Vote -1 Vote +1moles Reply:

    @Dave, Thanks man! I really appreciate you taking the time to critique my site. I am going to get to work on it ! While I dont think there are masses of traffic to be had with the current keyword its targeting I am sure I can start ranking for the loads of longtails it is now hitting. Time to get to work!

    I also just want to say that what you are providing for the IM community is just amazing. With all your great posts and help. Thanks Dave. You have really helped clear up a lot of my thinking towards IM that has in the past just been a mess with all the contradicting self-gain nonsense posted by “gurus” elsewhere on the web.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @moles,

    No probs. They are all small things but they all add up. Best advice, a bloody big call to action above the fold as soon as people hit the site.

    Vote -1 Vote +1moles Reply:

    @Dave, I will implement that later after my boring day job. One more question. I was targetting the keyword in the domain. If I change the first word to “portable” do you think that site would be able to rank for it a lot easier than starting a new website? Just that keyword gets 30 times the volume of the current one. Would you go for it with the existing site?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @moles,

    I would go for it with the existing site. Changing the title will work great, I have done it a number of times.

    It is also a great way to go for brand name items without risking any copyright problems too.

    Vote -1 Vote +1moles Reply:

    @Dave, Sweet! I’m all over it ! Wont bother you for a while now πŸ™‚ Let you carry on with that awesome post everyone is waiting for πŸ˜‰

  2. One thing I’ve learnt is that comparing myself to others does me no good lol! I basically put myself down, think I’m not as good as everyone else etc. But the truth is at this point in life I probably don’t need to be earning as much as a lot of people with families and big homes to pay for etc. I’m not going to talk about my specific earnings because of that, it just helps keep me focused on what’s right for ME and stay on track. That said, there’s still room for improvement πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Ruth – Web Career Girl,

    It has to be personal doesn’t it. You need to earn what you need to earn. I thought it might be motivational to a lot of people though as a lot think they are not doing well when the reality is that most people really struggle to earn hardly anything.

    This is a hard game and hopefully the results will be inspiring in both ways. Seeing that lots of people don’t earn much, and seeing what is possible as well.

    Or no bugger will vote at all, and I will look like a fool πŸ˜‰

  3. Ruth and I share a common habit, it seems. πŸ™‚

    I did put myself down, but I’m pretty open about that anyway. I know for me, reading Mike Iser’s old monthly earnings reports was motivating at the time, so I’ve put mine out there for that reason – it still seems like a dream right now, even though I’m not making a killing at the moment, just a living.

    I’m with Ruth in that: if this is not motivating to a person, then you shouldn’t worry about it, just keep plugging away. For the rest, this should be viewed as something hopeful of things that are well within your reach.

    Dave – why don’t you share your income, by the way? I’ve always wondered if I should continue the practice, but it seems to be well-received at the moment.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @JamestheJust,

    By “I did put myself down” I just mean that I participated in the poll – though it seems like I mean, “I insulted myself.” I do that, too. πŸ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @JamestheJust,

    Glad you had a good holiday James. As to your question, I don’t share my earnings for a few reasons.

    If it is low in comparison to others then the site will be seen as a giving advice without being able to back it up in earnings. If it is high then I will be constantly asked to show proof, and anyone who owns Photoshop knows that easy to rig.

    And what is good or bad anyway?

    As far as I am concerned anyone who makes anything in this game is a real winner, it is really tough. The problem with showing all what you earn, or at least giving a number is that people will then believe that you have the answers.

    We are just both Dudes that now do OK online James, our advice is good because it is honest and what we believe. Our earnings do not mean we know more or less that others do, just that we have worked hard.

    Do you still want to be reporting your earnings in a few years if you are making $50K a month? I bloody wouldn’t. People will be after you and you will become paranoid.

    Let’s say we earn a full time living. But hey, I know you report your income, that is great and you have done amazing, just think about when you would feel uncomfortable posting it. Plus do you want all your friends and family to know?

    Hear that knock at the door?

    It is a “friend” asking for a loan.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @Dave,

    That’s actually right on the nose, as usual – I have those same concerns. I have been kicking around the idea of stopping the reports after Ruth brought it up since she’s voiced another side of what I was thinking – but the reception so far has been pretty warm.

    Anyhow, I know when I’d be uncomfortable reporting it – and agree with your insight into the matter.

    By the way, how much do you make?

    Can I borrow a few hundred just for the next 2 months?

    What do you mean, “See what I mean?”

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @JamestheJust,

    I sent it via Paypal James, hope that is OK πŸ˜‰

  4. 5 out of 27 so far are earning more than $10,000…. hmmmmm

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @moles,

    It can be done, but let’s hope everyone is being honest. But I know a few of the voters were at least.

  5. damn … 429 comments … I”ve missed that … I stoped checking in the 15th comment or something like that

    I think that subscribing to the comments feed might be one of the biggest distractions you can have … you can learn a lot of stuff in commenting and reading other people’s comments (Γ  la Grizz old blog)

    oh well … looking forward for your next post

    another good survey might be something along the lines of “how long did it take to reach U$ X.XXXX,XX per month?” so people who believe that everyone make a lot of money in the very fist or second week like all those WSO promises, know the real truth about IM/MMO ..

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Bruno,

    Yeah, the comments feed is good but will take up your time. Good idea for a future poll, I will do it at some point.

    All those get rich schemes are a joke. The sooner people realize it takes at least a year of busting a gut the better. And then after that you need to start trying to earn more than a part time income, ’tis hard to say the least.

  6. “Hear that knock at the door?

    It is a β€œfriend” asking for a loan” Classic!

    I voted and looked at the results and I thought exactly the same thing as someone above “6 people earning more than 10k”? Wow.

    At the stage I am at now, reading other people’s figures is a huge motivator. Paula and Wanda’ figures have been a huge inspiration and just recently (only found him a few days ago) so have James’ figures.
    You mentioned a few figures last year Dave and they were totally amazing…. obviously you are increasing that and I too would not be posting my figures once I rhad eached a certain level.
    Not that that is going to happen anytime fast πŸ™

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Tara,

    The results are even more interesting now, after a nights sleep. Hopefully everyone will both see what is possible and what a lot of people are earning that may not be huge but is a steady start to be improved on.

  7. Well i am $100 per month category. My first target is to crack $500 per month in few month. Only few sites can make this much money. After that i can achieve things faster. $50k is my dream.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Rahul,

    Just stick with going all out on the sites that make up the bulk of that income and you will be there in no time. $500 that is, not the $50K πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @Dave,

    I FREAKING SECOND THAT!

  8. Ok, voted and not altogether surprised to see how many others were in the same boat as me. I don’t earn a fortune at this, but it gives me a very respectable full time income that has taken a few years to get to. I know others have got there much quicker, but everyone goes at their own speed.

    Getting to a full time income is the goal and its nice when you get there. Then you can go after the next goal… like a nice shiny new Mercedes in the drive… πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @Terry,

    Mercedes? Dude, I’ll take a 15 passenger van with nice seats and climate control. The 12 passenger is getting tight…

    πŸ™‚

    Point well taken, though – it’s a bit hard to look at the numbers and see the 5 figures a month as possible – and it’s all just relative. What works for me and my family is a mint to someone living in India or the Philippines – but it spreads the butter just fine on my toast.

    For someone to look at their earnings and bemoan that they have been at this for 5 years compared to so and so’s 15 months and get discouraged is far from the point – but it’s part of what drives me as a person.

    Like in the gym today, thankfully I wasn’t the weakest weakling…I beat my 11 year old in arm curls.

    Take that, son. –> incredibly mature <–

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @JamestheJust,

    Dude, even you can get a mercedes!

    http://www.autoelite.us/Products/ApoloLimoBus/ThumbNails/MercedesLimoConversion.jpg

    Vote -1 Vote +1Rahul Reply:

    @JamestheJust, Welcome to India.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @Rahul, Ha!

    I can relate. My family on my mom’s side is from the Philippines, where I grew up as a kid – anyway, I’ve seen some serious poverty.

    Wouldn’t mind going to India if only for the food…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    That would be cool. Our problem is that it has to contend with an unpaved stony Spanish track, needs to be quatro por quatro and must like being scratched by trees and Dogs.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, Haha I can imagine… even here on the Costa the back roads are full of potholes and the scratches come from more than just dogs and trees!

    It’d be nice to cruise along the carretera in something flash, but your right… a 4×4 is the sensible choice. I was looking at the latest Toyota Hilux – that is one mean truck. Perfect for escaping to my mountain cabin at the weekends… Mmmm plenty of room in back for the beer….

  9. I’ve only been at it since last May and I’m still fairly new to it but I’m just under $100 for February so I’m getting the ball rolling, eh?

    I’m looking forward to this monster post of yours! You sure it’s not going to be a “short” 5000 words or so? LOL

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Philip,

    The only way is up. Once you have something that earns it is just a matter of scale.

    You will be amazed how quickly you can jump the earnings if you look at your stats and take all the longtails you get traffic for and give them a few backlinks each. They add up in a massive way and your earnings can shoot up.

    Never just go for a set of keywords you think are the best ones, gather hundreds of longtails.

    Don’t worry, it won’t be a mini post πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Goshdarnit Dave, I’m gonna do this with my lenses!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Go for it Dude.

  10. Wow, there’s a lot of people doing well who read your site…I hope that means good things to come for those of us who are less advanced! πŸ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Steph,

    Me too.

    Hey, we all earn or are just starting out, in 5 years everyone who wants to work at home should be doing so very comfortably and having plenty of nice hols.

  11. Interesting. And I’m not so low as I thought I was, so far. Looking forward to the next big post, you’ve been quiet way too long, David

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Dave Starr,

    Yeah, the figures are very interesting so far, it is also nice to see that at least most people are earning something, that small beginning should be a motivator, if you can earn a dollar online then it is just scale.

  12. I started in the IM game in october of 2008 with one website. I was following john chow at the time…my advice: DONT follow john chow. after about 6 months of his bullshit, I found a guy named allyn hane from bloggerillustrated.net

    Allyn told me about griz. After 1 month of following allyn and grizs advice, I made my first affiliate commission of $25.50 – i will never forget that day.

    Since about april 2009 my income has increased steadily. I’ve had a couple personal issues in the past year and half and i didn’t work a whole 5 months in 2010 because of it, but my income rose by a couple hundred a month during that time – im guessing because my older links aged quite well.

    My main thing is:

    CREATE CONTENT THAT YOU WILL TAKE TIME TO BACKLINK.

    I rarely create content for a website or hubpage that I let sit without backlinks. I made that mistake before.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:

    @Eric,

    I agree, Allyn’s blog (http://bloggerillustrated.net/) is well worth checking out!

    As far as my figures are concerned, without getting too detailed, I’m safely into 4 figures but won’t feel like I can really sit back until I am in the region of a 5 figure sum every month. The aim? Multiple overseas trips every year and a fast car!

    My mentor has brought me this far. Time I started developing a few tricks of my own.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    You will be there soon, we all will be rolling in it by the end of the year, especially if……………..

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, Don’t leave us hanging there mate! You’ve been watching too many soaps recently eh?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Wishal,

    Tune in nest week for the next episode………….:)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Eric,

    Best advice ever and what I always tell people now. If you write it, backlink it.

    And hey Dude, we started at the same time, and I too found Griz after 6 months and the rest is history πŸ˜‰

    Everyone listen to Eric:

    CREATE CONTENT THAT YOU WILL TAKE TIME TO BACKLINK.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Eric Reply:

    @Dave,

    Thanks man, it means a lot. I’ve been doing this forever it seems (2.5 years, lol) and i’m still not stopping – I usually get bored doing one thing after about 6 months. I think I only had a couple jobs that I lasted more than 6 months…and those 2 jobs were businesses that I ran myself.

    Maybe like you dave, I have content that has been sitting there for over a year that I haven’t got to backlinking for yet….it’s not a good situation since I know there’s about $1-2k per month of revenue there.

    Also, I finally got into BMR today and I posted 15 articles there in about hour…I like how easy it is to put in my links. So I will see how well that goes in a few weeks.

    @Lando – Nice goals, I could really care less about the fast cars but I would also like to take 2 to 3 nice vacations per year without having to worry about how much I spend on them. I’m actually going to the dominican republic (punta cana) for a week. I leave next week so im getting all my linking and other work done this week for that.

  13. Hey Dave,

    Sorry for the off topic questions but do you happen to know if there are any downsides to sticking Adsense on a MMO/internet marketing blog? Seems like a cut throat niche where there would be people willing to click bomb you or do something to sabotage you. That or I’m just paranoid.

    I noticed many of the mmo sites don’t use Adsense such as yours. Griz’s old blogspot didn’t use Adsense either before it was taken down although I think he used to. I realize the CTR in this niche is low but I’m also wondering if Google hates these types of sites, you know, teaching people how to rank and stuff. Your thoughts?

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Uppercut,

    Grizz used to use it and he still does on his main MMO site now.

    I would never use it here, basically because like you say you will get loads of hassle. But if you only have one account then I would never do it. It is simplicity itself to find every site under an adsense ID so I would only do it if I had another account that is not on any other sites I cared about.

  14. I’m amazed how many of your readers can pull such big numbers.

    I did notice that 47% of them make less than $500 a month though, so as a whole the chart seems to be pretty honest.

    Dave, it looks like you have helped a lot of people make a lot of money.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    I doubt it is anything to do with me, this is just where peeps come to take a break πŸ˜‰ There are some great and big earners though which is very inspiring.

  15. I wish I was the person earning more than $30k a month

    Heck I’d take that in a year lol

    Vote -1 Vote +1Clare Reply:

    Dave – I’ve just had a thought. I am only in this game part time – the odd hour before and after work and on weekends. So my income will be very different from someone who is in this full time. So your results may be a little skewed.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Clare,

    Yeah, and everyone may be lying too πŸ˜‰ But it is just to show the possibilities, full or part time, it is just interesting to see what is possible.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Clare,

    I have to say I am surprised by some of the numbers, very cool.

  16. Ohh I fit the majority. Sadly most of what I make is from adsense, and only $500 of it is from amazon. I don’t wanna get banned πŸ™

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Mike,

    Decent content and a good site and you are cool. Personally I can’t be bothered with Adsense any more. I get my grand a month from it from old content and that is cool, products are where I find it much easier to earn better money.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Mike Reply:

    @Dave, I’m trying to work amazon man. Just not paying out as much, I make more from Clickbank subscription based products. Just can’t seem to make amazon to work I rarely break $500/month.

    Got any theme suggestions?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Mike,

    Sorry Man it really depends on the niche. But fluid width seems to convert better for me for some reason. And a small header so your CTA is nice and prominent.

    Poor Mike, only $500 a month from Amazon πŸ˜‰ , others would kill for that, just a matter of scale and getting them ranking to numero uno.

    Oh, and using my secret formula to rank in a day…….

    Only $373,23 to you πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Mike Reply:

    @Dave, Poor mike is right, you make like 5 digits a month from AMAZON. I’d gladly trade my adsense sites for that. Screw adsense.

  17. If I look at myself then my income consist of many sources. Adsense, Affiliate income, Linksales and a major one for me my own products. Love the fact that we (my wife and I ) were able to be full time selfemployed as an Internet Marketeer since several years now

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Edwin,

    I really do want my own product too. As long as I don’t have to get involved in taking and shipping the orders πŸ˜‰

  18. Alright, I saw your post on Griz’s blog about Facebook.

    Are you ever going to spill the beans here? We who are not privileged members of that group could use a hint or two!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Seth,

    It is nothing to do with that little Facebook group. Since Grizz coerced me on there I have just been doing some of my own research about it as a whole.

    As far as I have seen, since I have actually taken notice, Facebook business pages CAN RANK. And I am going to take advantage of that.

    I go in to detail in it on my next post. I am not talking about being on there and wasting your days. I am talking an automated setup after an initial minimal time investment for some social validation for visitors to your site.

    Imagine the confidence your niche site visitors will have if you have a Facebook widget on your sidebar showing you have a few thousand Facebook fans. It surely won’t hurt.

    More on the next post but there is something there, not to mention ranking a Facebook page for your niche keywords with a nice landing page. I have seen them in the SERPS and I want in.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Seth Reply:

    @Dave, Thanks. I’ll be waiting for your post. I have never even heard of Facebook “business pages”.

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:

    @Seth,

    It is all about Branding. Just a quick G search and you can set one up really fast.

    Brand your sites with
    – Twitter
    – Facebook

    etc. They bring traffic but at this stage Social traffic is very different to Buy Traffic. People rather comment then buy ;). They just like forums …

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @mkt,

    It took me bloody hours to find how to do it. The bloody hidden app to make a custom page………Man, they don’t make it easy.

    I don’t know if it was a coincidence but since putting one on a site yesterday my earnings went up over $100 for the day. Social validation bringing confidence to the buyer? I will have to wait and see.

    But apart from anything else it makes the sites look more real and less dubious as far as trust goes.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Seth Reply:

    @Dave, Well, I poked around and still don’t get it. At all. I’ve so totally never understood the lure of Facebook and I fear I never will. Sigh….

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Seth,

    I will run through it next week Seth in the post, it doesn’t mean you have to spend any time on there. Honest πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Seth, Which blog is Grizzly’s blog then?

    I’ve checked internetmarketinglessons.ca and makemoneyonlinegrizzly.com but I don’t see him talking about Facebook.

  19. After the algorithm change I have noticed, with my main squidoo lense, that it has no trouble still ranking for 3 word keywords, but the “main” 2 word keywords are way way harder.

    I keep blasting it with literally hundreds of BMRs and if anything it keeps going down. It’s getting frustrating. Before the change 50 BMRs for one of these keywords would jump me a page and a half.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Josh,

    Another quick observation is that my conversion rate has absolutely tanked. Last month it came out at about 3.66% but so far this month, even though I am still driving a respectable amount of traffic, my conversion rate is 0.00%.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    Man, that is not good. But I wouldn’t panic for a few weeks, just let things settle down. You may just not be getting the same quality of traffic at the moment.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Dave,

    I’m not really panicking, just frustrated. I think I’m going to have all 3 of my writers write articles on a single keyword for a week though and see if that changes my position.

    What I think is really going on right now is that I think google revoked all of that “trust” I built up over the past 8 months with this page that allowed it to glide up keyword no problem with a few links. It looks like it is being sandboxed for keywords when I link to them now. Hopefully this is the 2 week sandbox that we have all had to deal with, and not the 6 month sandbox.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    Yeah, all may be well in a few weeks. My best Lens just totally disappeared a few days ago. It has happened before though to other ones. They usually pop back up in a few weeks in the same position.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, When that happens do you lot keep trickling links to the squids as planned or let them be?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Wishal,

    I usually leave them be but I don’t think it makes much difference.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Dave,

    I hope that is what happened. After posting more BMRs towards the page yesterday, I’m ranking even lower today.

    However, I’m totally lost on the conversion rate. I have ranked for these same keywords before and my conversion rate was nearly 4.5%. It actually went down considerably after I started ranking for harder keywords. It makes no sense for me to have a .6% conversion rate now. I mean, how can you get lower quality traffic from the same keywords?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Josh, What does the Google Insights* graph for the product look like?

    You should select Product Search instead of Web Search and United States instead of Worldwide and the time duration to Last 12 months.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Wishal,

    What kind of details are you talking about?

    It’s pretty stable up until November 11. Between november 11th and January 16th it shows 0(I made more than a thousand dollars in this time period). After that it jumps up to 79 and stays within 20 in either direction till the present.

    What does this information mean? I’ve never used insight before.

  20. Dave, I thought you watched anime?

    This would have been the perfect opportunity to add.. over 9000? πŸ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Mike,

    Huh? I don’t get it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Mike Reply:

    @Dave, it’s an internet meme that originated from an anime. I think Vegeta said it. Just type “over 9000” on google lol

    I make your posts off topic πŸ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Mike,

    It’s why this site is here, it doesn’t all have to be IM. We are all REAL peeps, aren’t we?

    So, whenever I want to say anything is HUGE I now say,

    OVER 9000

    I like it.

  21. Another big fat sale for ole’ Blackie.

    This is much better than selling 10 low priced items.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Are we going to get a sale by sale update? : )

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Billy, No, but these first few sales are special because they’re pricey items and they bring in the big bucks all at once.

    Again, this is on a lens that only got 5 visitors in its lifetime.

    I must be like… the lens master or something.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Sounds like a winner. Wifey did a small satellite support site the other day, 5 pages, had 5 visitors and made 3 sales.

    Sometime small is beautiful.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, It’s weird how 2 lenses with no more than 5-10 visitors made a big sale each.

    And another lens which deals with the same type of product got 25 overnight and it made 0 sales.

    I’m still backlinking’em all though.

    I’m not posting as much as I used to here because I’m too busy working.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Work should always come first, time for play after it is all done πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Yeah indeed. So how many links can you send to a Squidoo daily to get it up quick without the risk of it being sandboxed?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    11

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Do you think I’m nuts???

    πŸ˜›

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Moi?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, No, the two guys standing behind ya.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, Made me ROFL hard. On a flight.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Wishal, I was pretty sure the right answer would ’42’.

    I didn’t even get the 11-reference.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Blackthorne, I’ve done 20 in 2 days followed by 3-5/day for a month without any issues…
    What about you lot? How much mojo have you spun for your squids without sending them into the sewers?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Blackthorne, The usual 10 per day from BMR.

    I’ve also had my drip set to 1-3 links but it was too slow.

    I’m doing 4-6 now.

    My writer does 35 articles per day. So I can promote 5 squids per week which will be link dripped for 1 week long that way.

    Seems to me I ought to get results with that strategy in due time.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dean Reply:

    @Blackthorne,
    Well done, was it a squidoo or one of your own sites? (are people’s Squids still ranking ok after the last update?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dean, Lens.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dean Reply:

    @Blackthorne, That’s great, I’ve finally managed to get 3 (just 3!) squids up and I’m slowly backlinking them. One of them just appeared in the index today (in the high 200s range), so I’m happy so far. Thanks everyone for the Squidoo advice on the previous post’s comment!!

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @Dean,

    Yes. They all rank well enough, the recent update seems to have a particular focus – check out PotPieGirl.com and her analysis, seems to coincide with what Griz was saying. Some spammy niches to steer clear of.

    Pretty interesting read between those two. I wouldn’t worry so much about what Google has recently done – it’s a hug PR move if anything, on the heels of JC Penney and bad press.

    There’s pressure for them to “clean it up” and they’re acting like politicians cutting out $100M out of trillions of dollars of debt – all talk and no show.

    Just my take – and yeah, I know some good peeps got hit, too – but don’t worry about it.

    Just build, test, repeat what works and test again.

    You’ll only ever know if Squid’s are ranking if you try to rank a Squid.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @JamestheJust,

    Lens. πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @JamestheJust, What a coincidence, a recently stumbled onto potpiegirl as well.

    She’s a popular Squidder, ain’t she?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dean Reply:

    @JamestheJust,
    thanks, I’ll check her out, I mean check out her site πŸ˜‰
    I know what you mean about google, ‘do no evil’ seems to change to do no evil to other big corps.

  22. Dave,

    Or perhaps this question ought to be directed to the Wife:

    Have you become involved in the new Hubpages Ad Program?

    http://hubpages.com/help/press-release-2011-03-01

    It seems like it is invitation only at this point, but I thought, perhaps, you had been invited. Just curious what your thoughts are: is this an opportunity to increase one’s hubs earnings? Just a lot of hot air?

    Thanks,

    Kerry

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Kerry,

    If they reckon that peeps that tried it earned more then it may be worth a go. I am guessing it may well depend on how you monetize your Hubs.

    Personally I hate that I have to have any adsense on my Amazon Hubs, it lowers the sales, but for adsense Hubs it may increase earnings.

  23. Wow Dave, you have a classier readership than problogger! (Didn’t he do an infamous poll that proved his readership were making no more than $10 a month a while ago?)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @teatree,

    Doesn’t surprise me, but what a shame. So many people love his site but where is the REAL advice, blogging is the worst way to make money at this game.

    WordPress is a great platform but tips on how to be a better blogger is the worst kind of advice for someone wanting to make money online.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Dave,

    It seems to me that the only way to make money blogging, is by telling other people how to blog(and selling them expensive products).

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Josh,

    Yep, when you could tell them people to pick a product on Amazon and rank the article you write about it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Dave,

    The people who are really into those types of blogs dream of being a “famous” blogger though. hahaha

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:

    @Dave,

    OK, I think this quote from Forrest Gump sums up the herd mentality of wanna be john chow bloggers…..Stupid is as stupid does …anyone remember that or know what I mean?

    πŸ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Darrell,

    It is just a shame that they don’t know better. I remember over a year ago a dude would do anything to become top commenter on one of my blogs. He was a Chow follower and put up competitions on his blog to get comments, it all failed miserably as he didn’t have the right idea for the actual site.

  24. I do about $300 a month, although the last 2 months have been closer to $350. πŸ™‚ I hope to increase that by a lot more a lot quicker, because a $50 increase every two months isn’t cutting it. I have some big dreams. πŸ™‚

    I want to make at least $1000 a month so I can quit my part time job. I want to make $2000 a month so I can pay off a few debts early. Then I want $6000 a month just so I can live a more comfortable life. I live in a rural area, the cost of living is low, and at that, my hubby could quit his job too. πŸ™‚ Then I want $10000 a month so I can save 40% of my income for the day it all goes to ruin. Anything after that is pure gravy!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lynn,

    A Gal with a plan, I like it. You know it is possible Lynn. Everyone who answered the poll started out the same as everyone else, just a matter of time and work.

    I hope you get there soon.

  25. I get depressed by the fact that I have to spew sewage into the article gutter that is the Internet to make a living.

    And I’m not even making a living yet.

    At the same time, it is depressing that I will likely have to build some sort of site for which I will actually have to create good content.

    Let’s say I find a product that…

    – I love
    – is expensive and can make me decent commissions

    … then I’m still not sure I’d be able to rave on and on about it to build a site that gets up to hundreds of pages.

    And even then you’re going to have to do some spammy linkbuilding to get the site going.

    This game is rife with paradoxes.

    Volume is going to have to save the day, it seems. Under the assumption that G won’t take down everything at once, ofcourse.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Darrell Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Stop trying to cheer me up Blackthorne…….. πŸ™‚

    Ya, I hear you man, but we gotta keep plugging away, taking 1 step at a time…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Darrell, I’m seriously considering setting up my own blog to have my own community just like this.

    And then maybe I’ll produce some software for making pretty/useful/informative/non-spammy looking product sites.

    There’s a hole in the market here. We need to learn how to set up quality sites.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Someone beat you to it. Called it WordPress or some such silly name…

    Except they forgot to add the bit that creates all the original, informative, useful and 100% readable content for you. Damn, now if there only was a way… … … πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Terry, WP’s interface sucks. The new version takes out the capability of nofollowing your links.

    You’re better off using Windows Live Writer for publishing well layed out pages.

    What I was thinking of was actually something a little more like Squidoo’s interface. Squidoo gives a guy all the marketing tools he needs to make well converting pages.

    Am I the only one that wants to be able to make Squidoo lenses on his own sites?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Blackthorne, Uh? I just made a new affiliate page on one of my WP blogs and nofollowed the aff link ok. Its on 3.1 – latest version. You must be missing something.

    But I agree, WP is not the best interface or CMS – too resource hungry and a pain in the arse with its constant updates.

    I prefer building static sites – most of mine are static. Its a little more fiddly but they load up fast and I never have to worry about all that database importing and exporting crap if I move servers.

    One budget SEO host I was using who shall NOT remain nameless cough.. 2GBHOSTING decided to suspend my account because its billing system didn’t notice my last automated paypal payment. It took me 5 days to get their support morons to acknowledge there was a problem and then another 3 days for them to activate it! I had 7 static sites and 1 WP blog on there. I changed nameservers for the static sites to another host and ftp’s all the files so those sites were only down a couple of days, but the blog lost its PR3 because of that lapse – it must have been spidered a few times when down.

    Their online chat support is a joke – they can barely write English (like many outsource writers, actually) and their ticket system sucks. In fact I cancelled the account with imeediate effect the minute I’d got into my cPanel for the blog and exported the database. That was late last month and they are still sending me emails wanting to know why I haven’t paid my latest bill. Sheesh!

    Long and the short… DO NOT get hosting with 2GBhosting.

    Now, what were we talking about…? I forgot.

    Too early… no coffee yet… arrrgghhh and I should stop reading blog comments and go get some damn links… πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    Had my two cups, the Sun is shining, the doors are open to the lovely morning Spanish air and I am good to go.

    It’s just a little tempting to go outside and soak up some rays πŸ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Terry, The visual interface would not let me nofollow. Just target = blank.

    For nofollow, you have to edit the source.

    I don’t care. I’m using Live Writer anyway.

    WP is such a resource hog, my hosting server can’t even log into 10 WP installations at once without suffering major slow downs.

    I can login to max 5 at a time. And even that is choppy.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Make me something like the squidutils Amazon poster for WordPress and I will happily pay you for it, without the revenue share and it would be a great tool if kept private.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, That would be a good idea. I just might do that.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, There’s a few open source programs around that get info from Amazon’s API and let you populate a web page with them. I’m sure one of them can be hacked to display individual items by searching on the ASIN then use a bit of slick code to bundle it all up in a pretty box with a picture.

    I keep meaning to look at something like that I could make for a static site using php/mysql. Only problem it would have to update every day to get around the Amazon TOS on displaying the price. Could get complicated with cron jobs running etc. Plus I don’t have the patience to sit down and figure out all the damn coding – that’s best left for younger peeps who haven’t fried their brains out yet… πŸ˜€

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    You lost me when you said php πŸ˜‰ I have tried a few things like Reviewazon (with a total boot out of the serps I might add). I just wonder if a little program that could never go mainstream would fare better.

    I am actually still in two minds about whether it is better to display the prices at all though, I think it would lower the click through rate on occasion. It seems to work for Lenses but if you don’t rank above Amazon I think it could lower the clicks and I think it would be better if no mention of Amazon was made on the poster.

    I dunno Terry, I do wonder if just a basic click here text call to action isn’t the best anyway, done OK so far with it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, Yeah, you’re right, its best to stick with simple.

    What does it take to copy the image from Amazon or whatever affiliate program and upload it to a WP blog, or in my case add it into a static html page? A few clicks of the mouse. Then write some blurb around it, copy in the links, pretty it up with a BUY NOW image and total time spent on a page is no more than 15-20 minutes.

    That’s nothing compared with the time that’ll be spent to get the links. Its worth that little extra effort considering the potential income it’ll generate. You are so right – this way works just fine πŸ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    Yeah, I just wrote 40 BMR’s today and I am fried. Vino o’clock is here though so that is me done for another day. I need another holiday.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, Holiday? Yeah, me too. I only managed 18 BMRs so far today but I did write some weight loss articles for my sites too (gotta keep that cash cow rolling) and I’m just about ready to crack a cold one right now myself.

    We went to Chiclana up near Cadiz a few years ago and it was brilliant as a lazy holiday. Might head back there this summer to chill.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Terry, This is how I set my sites up; pop in an ASIN or a list of ASINs into an “admin area” and it pulls down the picture, description and features of the product and queues it up and waits for me to add my own review – makes things much easier than fiddling around with Amazon’s site. Of course it embeds the link etc.

    I was thinking about putting together a service for Backlinks Forum to create a static site with N hundred product reviews ready for text, but think dealing with the masses is a bit much of a headache.

    Happy to lend a hand if needed. (Programming background)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Billy, Thanks for the offer Billy, but see my comment above – I think I’ll stick with the simple way of doing it.

    The idea of automating some of the work is tempting but in all honesty, building the page is the easiest and quickest part of the work, even when done long-hand.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Billy,

    That is a kind offer Billy. How do you manage to create all these things? It is like rocket science to me. I did manage to change the font style for the headers here though which left me feeling quite pleased.

    I know my limits πŸ˜‰ (very low)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Billy, PS: the other problem with automating the page building step is its too tempting to rely on the Amazon product review which just gives you a page of duplicate content.

    When I’m forced to do it all manually, it doesn’t seem such a chore to actually write my own review, which is more important for long term rankings. I can make it long and include a lot of related keywords.

    Vote -1 Vote +1BrainDamaged Reply:

    @Dave,
    Damn, I had that idea for a couple of weeks now, meaning to offer it here privately. Too bad I’m not a good as coder as Blackthorne, I would have made it by now. Oh well, one more idea down the drain.
    Altough I had in mind shared revenue, but paid option could be better. Why have I been lazy in implementing it? :S

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Terry,

    πŸ˜‰

  26. Why wouldn’t a guy just use Squidoo? Money seems good…

    Anyway – not to rain on your parade, Blackthorne – if you’re tired of the game, as it sounds like you are, you can read Leo and Griz and step into another level of it altogether. Branding, helping local SEO, focusing on a big winning idea (like bodybuilding.com – hundreds of millions of dollars for selling a portion of his site – smart fella)…

    I’m happy with the sewers. Call me a well-fed rat.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @JamestheJust, Actually, it was a little over $100 Million for bodybuilding.com, the minority share. Whatever you call it. Not “hundreds of millions”. Whatev.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @JamestheJust, You’re right, I am tired of the game.

    But I won’t stop until I see some success. I want to see a lens at the top to see what it will bring me.

    I’m focussing on that alone right now. I’ll have my writer build hundreds of links over the course of months to one lens if that’s what it takes to get that @@*)#$ to the top.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @JamestheJust, I also want to be a well fed sewer rat.

    But I’m tired of this whole friggin’ life. It’s boring as hell.

    I’m going after those lenses man. In the next few months reality will show me whether I can make it in this came or not.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    It can be boring, then the checks come in, or you outsource the boredom. If you want the really big fish, then you could follow your muse and provide something like a CMS, I didn’t mean to rain on your parade – I just don’t normally take on monumental tasks like that when there’s fruit aplenty on the lower branches.

    From the sound of it, your lens is on a higher branch. I go for them thar low-lying piles of cash.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @JamestheJust, Some say ‘go where the competition is because there is money to be made there’.

    Others say ‘go for the lower fruit’.

    My current product is a popular and expensive thing and the top US ranking for it is Amazon.

    So is it high fruit because it’s popular or is it low fruit because the top ranking is a mere Amazon page?

    I’m not sure what the lower fruit is.

    Maybe you can make me a recommendation over private email. I’d like something I rank for in 2 weeks like Terry.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Well, I use 5 different keyword tools, or so.

    It’s sufficient to use SEOQuake or SEO for Firefox and do some competitive recon in that regard.

    I look at PageRank of the top competitors, their anchor text (I use SEO Spyglass and Market Samurai for that), and the strength of their backlinks (are their links internal, external, high or low PR?).

    You can do a lot of this in conjunction with Yahoo! Site Explorer, there are a lot of other such places like WebSEOAnalytics.com, MajesticSEO…

    Anyway – then it’s just a gut check. The easiest way to do all that is to use software for it, like Market Samurai (which makes short work of all the above). Look for the openings in the SERPs, behind the scenes.

    That’s low-hanging fruit. Amazon being #1 isn’t much – how much do 2-15 in the SERPs present you with in terms of competition?

    That’s just a rhetorical question, but that’s how I do. Dave does things more simply than I do, from the sound of it. But I didn’t buy these tools (and barter for them, mwahahahah) for nothin’.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @JamestheJust, I use the SEO Chrome extension to check Yahoo’s backlinks to a site.

    If #1 doesn’t have many, I’m going for it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @JamestheJust, When I start making some more, I’ll invest in some keyword research tools.

    Which tool (free or paid) is your absolute favorite?

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @Blackthorne,

    Free = SEOQuake, WebSEOAnalytics.com,Market Samurai for keywords,Yahoo! Site Explorer
    Premium = Market Samurai, SEO Powersuite

  27. Hey guys, Anyone has a writer that they are letting go or know a writer i can hire? I need one for BMR writing.

    Just email me at fuseng_83at hotmail dot com

  28. Hey Dave,

    You got a lot of comments on here! wow!

    Just wondering what advice you would have to give regarding those who have recently started a site? When the site is new and fresh, what sort of backlinking do you do?

    I assume when a site is new you dont overdo it with postrunners but how long should you wait for?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Max K,

    Peeps do like to chat here that’s for sure πŸ˜‰

    Ideally I would build a site and basically forget it for 6 months. Aged content is easier to rank. But in the real world I know we are all in a hurry. I would just do a link or two a day and no more for the first few months. Then scale it up slowly.

    But for one site I attacked it full on from day one and it ranked straight away. But there is then the big risk of getting sandboxed. The links will still count but you may disappear from the serps for a year or more. Slow and steady for three months is probably ideal then ramp it up a little bit until the site is 6 months or so and then go full bore until you feel sickie.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dean Reply:

    @Dave,
    Sorry to bring you back to this post, but could you tell me how many pages you recommend on the new site before leaving it to age for the 6 months,
    Many thanks!!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Dean,

    I would put up as many as you want to rank for. The older the content the better it will rank when linked so get up as much as you want to target. Then it will all be there waiting for you good Sir πŸ˜‰

  29. Been looking forward to this post! Thanks for taking the time to post. I have sent you some deserved currency.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @moles,

    Why thank you kind Moles, it is much appreciated.

  30. I chose over $1000 but its more like $1900 per month on average at the moment.

    Seems most people are in this bracket.

    Its an ok amount at its a nice bonus each month but its not enough to go full-time on and have cash to spare or reinvest.

    Hard to break into the $3000 a month bracket from here.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @J,

    Those are great earnings. Just a matter of scale now. Just mine all your keyword stats and rank hundreds of longtails at the top and you will be doubling that sooner than you think.

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