".......and unfortunately nearly all make money online blogs are crap, so he, Dave, decided to write his own. It's pretty spankin."
Dalai Lama
Apr 062011

Many of the readers will already know a little about my history, I have mentioned it in passing. But here it is again, at least as far as Internet Marketing goes.

Me and Wifey moved to rural Spain just over 6 years ago. We sold a house in the UK after renovating and moving houses 3 times, with 100,000 GBP ($163K) in our pockets, give or take. The money didn’t come easy, we worked hard, both at real jobs, renovating houses and I did a year selling DVD’s on Ebay which made a full time wage in the last year while I also renovated our last house.

Once we moved to Spain we had about 4 years where we went very self sufficient, bought our house and began the renovations. The property was a shell and nothing more. We installed concrete floors. I tiled, I installed new plumbing, new electrics, a solar system, satellites for tv and Internet until something better came along.

Bottom line we worked hard again, and then the money ran out.

We spent some time them working as builders for friends, until in Sept 2008 we were so poor that Wifey went back to the UK to work in her old Government job for 3 months.

At this point I decided that if we were going to be able to live together here then something needed to be done.

On With The Laptop

I began the usual rounds of trying to find out how people make money online. Man, what a load of shit there is about it online. I had heard about it and decided that this was for me. I have had “real jobs” in the UK, and frankly it sucked. I am not a sociable person in real life, especially if I have to be with those people more than with my Wife and my menagerie of animals.

Spending more time with people that you have no interest in, do not particularly like and get a pittance at the end of the month is not my idea of fun, and it never has been.

Back to the laptop. As I was alone for 3 months I made a concerted effort to see how to make money online. I discovered Squidoo and blogspot. I made a lens about a Clickbank product and I wrote for Ezinearticles to get backlinks. I made a few blogs where, after what I had read I JUST KNEW I was going to make a killing. I even take surveys for money to earn a little bit of cash!

It seemed that all you had to do was get subscribers and entertain them and they would somehow make you money. You could sell them products and if you went on Twitter and made lots of friends then you would make lots of money.

As you can guess it did not work out like that.

When Wifey came back after her 3 month stint with about $1600 in her pocket I thought we were buggered.

But then something began to happen.

My stupid crap began to make a few dollars a day. But I could already see that trying to be a clever blogger was one of the most difficult ways to make money. Then I encountered a certain BEAR in about April 2009.


It clicked.

It clicked and I have never looked back.

By the end of 2009, although we were still extremely poor, and spent most of the year without enough money to get down from our mountain because we couldn’t afford fuel, let alone buy food, we decided to buy 2 new laptops. We could then about afford it.

Up until then, all year one of us had been getting up at 6am to have the morning on our one laptop. And then the other took over for the afternoon. We were making some money so we thought that if we doubled our output then we would at least double our money.

It worked out well.

Once you begin to earn money it seems like the ball simply builds momentum. This site now makes $1000 a month and it is my hobby. I don’t backlink it, I don’t write guest posts. I do change things after a year though. Click that and you will see what I mean. I now experiment a little more than I ever have, and that post alone is now set to bring in an extra $3000 a year, which is $10 a day.

Our earnings have skyrocketed since we were full time each. As sites get older the traffic increases and we hone in on better earners for periods of time, then go back and build up our newer content.

I know the basics of how to do this game, and I know little more. But for about 16 months two people have spent a minimum of 8 hours a day writing product posts and backlinking until they felt sick. We make adsense of about $45-$60 a day but we don’t do adsense. It is real passive income that is just from sites we built when we were total noobs and thought it was the best way to go.

It isn’t.

If people are paying for ads and keep paying for ads then they are making a profit, that is where the money is.

If I look at our earnings increase and take it from the beginning of April 2009 when I actually really knew what I was basically doing then the numbers are staggering. If I look from April 2010 to this month in 2011 then there is no mere slight increase increase. We have worked bloody hard and it has payed off.

I am not talking double our previous years earnings, the numbersย  have exploded, each month this year has been so much better than the year before it is not even funny.

Think you can earn an amount enough to by a new house in a nice neighborhood in 2 years, you can. Cars, trips etc, whatever you want.

If you work for it.

Which brings me to the point of this post.

If you want to make it in IM then give up your day job.

Learn how to cope on minimal money. Forget new clothes for a year. Forget restaurants, going out to the pub, the cinema, driving when you can walk.

Forget nice food and forget a social life and forget about haircuts and anything else that costs money.

Say goodbye to your boss and work like a demon for a year.

If you are already earning at least a part time wage then as soon as you can save enough to struggle through the year, jack in the job and fulfill your dream.

That is if you don’t like work.

Some people enjoy going to work every day, and this advice is certainly not for them. But most people either hate their job or would rather work at home if they had the choice.

You do.


Life is short, very short. Do you want to waste the best years of your life doing something crap, only to find at the end of it when you are in your sixties that you are too worn out to enjoy the pittance you get every month in a pension, and it won’t go far anyway.

Wouldn’t it be better to be able to go on holiday when you feel like it. To be able to take a 3 month break from your job if you felt like it. To take your laptop to the other side of the world and still do your daily job, just nearer to a tropical beach?

I know what I would prefer.

Many people simply have the fear factor.

Me, I have always just assumed something would turn up. But I also made it turn up.

We were so poor for well over a year it was not funny. No fancy food, lots of veg from the garden, and not a lot else.

Sure we don’t have dependents, and no mortgage.

But think about the rest of your life. Could you rent your house out for a year and live somewhere cheap so you can try IM full time?

Could you really simply do overtime at work, or get a second job for 6 months and save and then be able to take a year off?

Or could you simply move to the other side of the world where the money that you now have, or earn from part time Internet Marketing would actually be seen as a very respectable full time job wage in the country of your choice.

Life is for doing, and it is certainly not for looking back on and regretting.

So, sell up, move out, live in a cheap country and hammer the laptop.

Or simply knuckle down, save for a few months then jackย  in working for the Man.

What is the worst that can happen?

You don’t meet your goals and have to go back to a crap job.

But what is the best that can happen?

A new house of your dreams, a life of freedom, and the chance for some afternoon nookie with the Wife, yours, not mine.


 Posted by at 10:02 am

  182 Responses to “Give Up Your Day Job”

  1. “โ€ฆand the chance for some afternoon nookie with the Wife, yours, not mine.”

    F**king killed it!
    I copied that over to the comment so that the Wifey doesn’t miss it. Yours, Not mine.

    Amazing post regardless. I was talking about your last post at ye old pub and someone was wondering whether you’d gone all Leo on us. You know, finally converted over to the dark side that is all about providing real value, etcetra. Until in a drunken stupor, it dawned upon the lot of us that you had said everything that needs to be said about making squids, “shallow sites” and their brethren. There isn’t really that much stuff left to talk about after the Amazon guide and the Hubpages $1000 plan.

    Hope more people take the J.O.B sentiment to heart.

    For anyone who’s worried about another Farmer/Panda/SchmidtFit update, build the hubs till you get to $2000 a month and then take a month’s proceeds and buy yourself an authority site or two from Flippa.

    Quick Tip: Anyone looking to generate leads from 2.0 sites, Squdioo beats HP 3:1.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    I will be honest with you. I can’t make money on squidoo at all. Google absolutely HATES them.

    I created 10 squidoo lenses and all of them are all based on Dave’s teachings. At the moment all of these have 20-50 BMRs, bookmarks, and profiles. I get approximately 1 click from all of them combined a day. Most of these pages haven’t gotten a single view form search engines.

    I have another squidoo lense that I created 9 months ago. In February it made $1800(it was set to do $2500 before the panda update). The page barely made $1000 last month, and in the last 5 days this month it has made $0. I should also mention that I have sent this page 500 BMRs for various keywords(400 for a single keyword) since the panda update and it continues to slide downwards.

    As far as I can tell squidoo is completely and utterly decapitated.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It happened to me about a month ago for my big Lens. I was set to be on the front page of Squidoo for being in the top 5 and I would have been on easy street.

    Gone to the back of beyond.

    But, I get the feeling it will be back, and yours too Josh, and what is all this talk about not making it with Squidoo. People would die to have made earnings like that this year, that is a lot of money.

    Move on and I bet it comes back at some point, I am hoping mine does but just get busy somewhere else for now and boost other earnings.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    I’m not going to deny that those numbers were good, buy I’m going to be honest, those earnings aren’t impressive at all for as long as I spent on this page and how long It took me to learn this shit. The fact that I was making only that much is sad, the fact that all the work I have done since then hasn’t produced a single page that has gotten even a dollar of commission is pathetic. I’m back to averaging $2.50 a day just like I was a year ago.

    I’m getting out of SEO entirely for a while. As soon as my February commission check arrives I’m getting into PPC. I’m not cut out for making money with SEO apparently. The good news is that SEO did get me to the point where I could have $2000 to learn PPC, I could have done that a year ago.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Sorry Man, I didn’t realize you didn’t have plenty of other fires cooking, I thought that was just a part of your earnings.

    Check out http://www.nickycakes.com, read his site from the beginning, and http://finchsells.com/ they are both good places to learn some tips and tricks.

    Just be careful Josh, the money can get eaten real quick in PPC.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    Well all of the other hundreds of backlinked pages combined make $3-4 a day. It’s kind of ridiculous. It’s not even that they are getting traffic and it isn’t converting, it’s that google simply won’t rank them. I think we have talked about this before, but it’s still happening with my newer stuff…

    The biggest problem with this squidoo page isn’t that it’s not getting traffic anymore, it’s that the traffic I am getting is not converting at all. I have sent the product 200+ clicks this month and that would have normally made me about $200-$300(which I would be more than happy with). My AM swears that nothing has been changed about the product or it’s page.

    Thanks for the sites. I read over both of them. Pretty basic stuff(keywords+landing page+product=$, split test everything), but I guess I can’t put anything more advanced in context until I get my check and can start. I think I will pick 5 products to promote and throw $100 at each of them. One of them is bound to be profitable.

    Thanks Dave.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Isobel Reply:

    @Josh, Two questions, Josh:
    Are you using xrumer and/or sick submitter?
    Are you using Pretty Links for your affiliate links? I read on another forum that there have been bugs with the free version at least, that affiliate cookies are being dropped, clicks not recognised etc. I’m about to switch all my Pretty Links to Simple URLs from Studiopress.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    I have a guy who does Xrumer for me. I got tired of sick submitter, too much to worry about.

    I switched to a different network to promote the exact same product. I got a sale almost immediately. I don’t think I will accuse them of scrubbing leads, but I think that’s what happened.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Josh, Interesting that you that. Did you give HP a shot for the same keyword? Even though Squidoo converts better for me (I only do leadgen), HP is consistently ranking higher for me. That said, I am just using these to supplement existing and dedicated pages while mining for those elusive longtails.

    Perhaps the only thing that I might be doing differently from most people is that I vary every single anchor. Not as hard to do as you might think and the crazy thing is that if you get your on-page SEO right and get some inbound links from other hubs, you can easily get that page to rank high for your target term. I also throw in 1 junk anchors like click here, click this, this page, URL รฉt al for every 10 links I build.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Wishal, Dave, when you touch your $50k/month could you please put in an edit button for comments in there? iPhone keyboards are real bad at autocomplete and my comments read like someone dictated them to a chimp ๐Ÿ˜›

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    There is one, I did it last week, it stays for 10 mins after you write the comment. Top right of your comment. And that may be a while, quite a while ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    We have upped it to 3 junk links for every 10 bmr’s and 5 for every 15 postrunners, it seems to be working very well, and there has (mostly) been a lot less dancing around the serps going on.

    Good advice Wishal.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    I haven’t had much luck with hubpages in the past, but I could try it.

    I don’t vary my anchors very much, I will try that in the future.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I have come to realize there is definitely a tipping point when it comes to anchors. Too many for the same term and you can simply drop out for that term, it doesn’t seem to really effect other longtails but for the main term you can die a death.

    I don’t know where the tipping point is but it is there, no doubt, maybe Wishal’s advice to change every single anchor is the best way to go? It may take a little longer to rank but there is certainly less chance of dropping out the serps if you have more varied backlink anchor text.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    Do you think there is a chance of the page coming back, or are google’s penalties permanent?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It will be back at some point I think, but who knows when? 1 day or 1 year, I have been in both situations. Build a site or 5 for the terms that converted. Or buy an aged domain and have at it from day 1.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    I have a domain that is in the same niche. I actually intended to rank the site, but the squidoo took off so I focused on it.

    I have been trying to rank it for the converting keyword but it’s sitting on page 17 and it isn’t moving anywhere too quickly. This is funny because the site is only on page 12 for the main keyword in the niche. Google doesn’t make any sense to me at all.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    Here are a couple of questions that helped me figure out my HP ranking dance a while back. You might find use for them. If my squids went down, I’d do the same for the squids as well though I haven’t seen it happen.

    1. Does it have too many of the same exact anchors?
    2. Has the hub been replaced by another hub or has it lost position completely?
    3. Have the longtails lost their rankings as well? (Check your analytics for this one)
    4. If you change the meta-title of the page to a longtail KW, you aren’t able to rank for that KW either?

    Normally I wouldn’t bother doing this but since your Squid is your main earner, you might want to give it a shot. Also, how about creating a bunch of squids around the Top 5 or so keywords that were getting you traffic (unless you know that only the main KW was converting for you). It might be able to offset some damage. I would also kick off a hubpage for the same keyword if something like that happened to me.

    PS. Just my tuppence . Not sure if you were looking for advice so don’t take this the wrong way.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    That’s good advice, I would have taken it a number of steps further if it was my main earning page. I would have picked 5 or 10 of the top keywords and bought the domain names and built them up to replace the Squid.

    I would still do it Josh, I know I have always said nto to build thin sites of 5 pages or so but I have done exactly that lately for semi-longtails and they rank very quickly, I use mine for support sites but still make them look like proper sites so they make money. You may be able to replace your Squid earnings quickly if you build out 5 or 10 mini sites for your best terms.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    I have a website that is targeting all of these keywords, but it isn’t ranking for any of them. I’m hovering around the 20th page.

    I’ve made $117 in the last 2 days off of the page because I switched to a different CPA network. This puts my conversion rate back up in the 3-5% range like it was before the panda update. The other network was definitely scrubbing my leads which is FUCKING BULLSHIT. I have easily lost more than $1000 in the last month. I would yell at them but they still owe me $3000 and I can’t afford to lose it.

    If you are promoting a CPA offer and you notice a change find the offer on a different network and promote it there.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Man, that is downright dirty. Good advice Josh, and it also pays to approach a network for a raise in commission if you are doing well too.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    It turns out this is an insanely dirty business. Especially when you get onto the CPA side of things.

    Also great advice on raising commission. I actually got them to up the commission on this product to $39 from $28.50 months ago when I threatened to leave to another network. Make sure you actually have traffic before you do this though.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    I actually already changed the title to a longtail keyword. It was where I was getting a lot of my traffic. I still have most of my longtail traffic but I have dropped all the way to 35 for my main keyword. The more links I give it for that keyword the further it drops- and not in that sandbox kind of way where it drops a lot- It has just been slowly sliding.

    It’s hard to say if it has a lot of the same anchors. Like I said it has over a hundred thousand links. I suppose a lot of the xrumer may have the same few anchors over and over again. I think I have been pretty good about my BMRs though.

    Thanks Wishal.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Thanks Man. I am still what I am, I make my cash from 300 word posts with aff links, that’s it. But I like to have a small group of sites that I write for enjoyment too, and to provide real info, it keeps me sane amongst the constant repetition. Plus they make money, of course, never forget that. I don’t write for any site, ever, if I don’t either make money or see the possibilities, regardless of content, high end or very low end.

    Good advice there Wishal, and stop talking about me in the Pub, it makes me feel weird ๐Ÿ˜‰ I mean really, shouldn’t you be talking about Football?

  2. I would say quiting your day job before you are “making it”, but I feel like you should get to that $1000 a month point first. I think if you just quite your job and then get started your morale is going to be really really low after you haven’t made anything the first 6 months.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    BUT, if you are making $500 a month and then have no job, you are gonna work pretty hard over the next six months to beat the hell out of it aren’t you?

    Anyone who makes any money online in this game should be at least able to triple it in six months barring anything unforseen or if they only have thin sites relying on EMD’s.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    $500 is fine, the exact number is actually arbitrary. The point is that you should know what you are doing before you quit your job. This isn’t because I’m worried about how much money they have or anything, it’s because if they just outright quit their job without knowing what they are doing, their morale is going to be almost immeasurably low for months and months on end.

  3. There’s a lot of value in Dave’s musings/teachings. But one of the most profound things he’s said here ought to be inscribed on the frame of everyone’s monitor, so they would see it every time they rush off to follow the next ‘shiny object’ on the Internet …

    If people are paying for ads and keep paying for ads then they are making a profit, that is where the money is.

    This is the real value of AdSense. Look at what people pay big to advertise, year after year, and then sell that. Really the whole path to success in a nutshell. “Ranking Hubs”, begging for hits on Squidoo and rolling over the Infobarrel are just exercises in wheel-spinning. Sell actual products and sell them well.

    The Internet is like being the CEO of Wal*Mart or Tesco or SM …except you don’t have to build the store buildings and hire all the staff.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Dave Starr,

    Thanks for the comment, nice one Dave. Love the last line, great stuff. Adsense is an easy trap to fall in to, and I don’t deny I have done it myself. But if you have a good adsense site then taking it off and adding in your own aff links in a similar style to adsense or a re-design to promote products can earn amazingly well.

    I did it a month ago on a site that I had neglected, instead of $5 or so a day adsense it prob makes more like at least $50 a day now. If you don’t try you never know, right?

  4. I opted to move to a cheap country as well ๐Ÿ™‚

    I never knew you had pets.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Yep, although the Cat has now been gone for weeks so I don’t think he will return. We also have chickens for lovely free range eggs.

  5. You installed “a solar system”? I thought only God could do that.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ben Reply:

    @Seth, Dave’s real identity is revealed ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    YAWN: Just got up from a Siesta, there’s always one isn’t there ๐Ÿ˜‰

  6. Dave et all

    I think it depends where you are in life and the responsibilities you have. Personally, I am a risk taker but my wife keeps me grounded – so does my biz partner to some extent. I had a near six figure ($) income and the benefits and debt trappings that brings when I began this journey in 2007. To suddenly give up was not an option with a young family and large mortgage (think several ยฃ100k).

    Because of my responsibilities, working into the night was the only option back then, even though I desperately wanted to give up my job.

    Fast forward to now….I work 3 days per week affiliate marketing. However I easily earn more working part time from affiliate marketing than I did from the the full time job and should be completely debt free in a couple of years. Not bad for doing something you love….

    At the time, the Boss (wife) thought my partner and I were crazy – Not now. The boss has given up her career girl job and has just begun her affiliate marketing journey. She can do this because of those late nights in 2007, 2008 and 2009.

    So basically, what I am saying is do what’s right for you within the budgetary and commitment constraints you have. BUT MAKE SURE YOU PUSH YOURSELF, because like you said in a previous post Dave – what if you only had one year left at this?!?!

    Make what you do count…

    Keep Rockin Gangsta Boy –

    Ps – Although I don’t touch ppc and facebook ads, I also love Finchsells – Good reading peeps if you’re into that, or even if you’re not…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Great comment Bern. You are a man after my own heart. Hopefully peeps will be inspired by your comment. The work pays off, as long as you keep at it and diversify, and then work at it some more.

    I can’t wait until I have been at this a few more years, it is gonna be Gangsta, no doubt. But yeah, even if it all ended tomorrow and I had to start again, it was a good ride. I think I would then join Josh in the PPC, although I get the feeling I would get fleeced for a while ๐Ÿ˜‰ You are right Bern, the blogs Finch runs are good regardless of PPC and Facebook.

    And Hey, let’s have some more stories of people’s backgrounds, it makes it more REAL and is inspiring.

    Come on Seth, let’s hear about your journey, I get the feeling you are a real dark horse.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Nice first post on your site Dude, it is going to be a killer, I can feel it. Let’s hear about your backlinking, I want to go all automatic and shit on mine too, it is killing me ๐Ÿ˜‰

    You got yourself a subscriber buddy, I must say I was getting confused with the 2 names on the corkboard the other week, it makes sense now. Um, I think. Oh, I would ditch the WP login if you want comments, hassle man.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Bern Reply:

    Re names – we are both Jason, but I have always been called Bern…So to make it easier, when J decides to post, people can tell us apart – Plus it should be easy, I am the handsome one…

    Re Backlinking – I am building up to that post – I want to make it epic – leave nothing out. I just need to set some time aside to do it.

    Just about to start a post on some testing – Document some results from BMR after your rec…Results are pretty good in the short time frame we have tested it…More to follow.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Got it Bern is the Ugly one and Jason is the pretty boy, simples.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Bern, Dave’s said everything I’d say (and more). Awesome first post. Subscribed.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Bern Reply:


    Thanks Wishal – Just standing on the shoulders of giants and putting it to work.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Bern Reply:


    Dave – Can we edit comments – sent the above from laptop and had old settings saved (ie jason) – Looks like I have a split personality! ๐Ÿ™‚


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I changed it, but you can edit your comment for 10 mins, it should be showing up at the top of your comment.

  7. Hey Dave,

    glad I’ve bumped into this. I fully agree with you; well, actually I have done exactly what you said somewhere around October last year.

    I gave up everything and started working like MAD on my online business. Those were hard times. First, I had no idea if all that IM/MMO would pan out; maybe I was working 14-16 hours per day for nothing!! It’s like they say:

    “the first $100 dollars are the hardest to make”

    You have no idea if you are doing right, if you are doing wrong or if you are not doing at all! Then the very first few cents starts to trickle in and something clicks. Then it starts to build momentum and you know the drill …

    Secondly, I was working 14-16 hours per day, had almost no social life, was saving money like hell just because I want to suceed. When you give up on everything and things start to look bad, then and only then you will get the rush and that adrenalin that will keep your fingers moving +14h/day. It’s not a good feeling when you are having that, but man, you work like hell! And then when you look back, you will be proud as ever. Not to mention the $$ ๐Ÿ˜‰

    I’m far far off of how much you make online, but I’ll get there, it’s just a matter of time. Of couse, when I do get there you will be even further ahead, but that is not a problem. We’re not competing (are we? ๐Ÿ˜› I’m losing badly then)

    I have a question regarding Squidoo: so far I’ve been using adsense on my sites but I’m right now moving into Amazon and I was wondering which is the best way to start.

    I do want to do something like you describe in your niche domination, but the problem is that I do not know which products convert best yet. Which way do you think is the best way to try this out?

    I was thinking of following Tracey’s advice on creating several Squidoo lenses and see what happens. But after I read here that you are not doing that well at the moment with Squidoo, I’m having second thoughts.

    But if I do not use Squidoo, is there a cheap and quick way to test for products before buying my domain name and creating my authority site??


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Sounds like you are a man who will definitely make it Bruno. The testing of a niche is a tough call. I have made countless sites that have bombed. Squidoo is a tough call. On one hand some posts rank like a dream while others simply seem to never budge no matter what, and then your testing is buggered.

    To be honest one of the best ideas, and one I have never tried, is to use PPC. Pick your niche, buy a domain, put up some good content and pay for a little bit of traffic. You can then test the traffic for the terms you are looking at and find new ones too with Adwords.

    Other option, and cheaper is learn how to buy an authority site, test a few terms there by ranking them, and if they convert there then they will convert better on a proper dedicated niche site, same goes for Hubs or Squidoo etc. If you get sales there then you can be sure you will get a lot more if you get the same spot for a niche site.

    Sorry Dude, no real shortcuts with SEO, a great niche is the be all and end all, PPC is the only real shortcut to testing.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Bruno Reply:


    hey mate, thanks for the reply.

    Man, this game gets harder every day. But that’s actually good, ths means fewer people will be able to make it a living out of it, therefore less competition ๐Ÿ˜€

    Humm, PPC, haven’t thought of trying that out at this moment, but I’ll take a look into it. Besides Finchsells, any other recommendation for resources?

    Flipping websites is something that I was also willing to give it a try, but actually selling my websites for some quick cash that I would reinvest all in my websites. Another item to my “to study” list.

    thanks again

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    True words Bruno, we are the lucky ones, imagine trying to enter this game in a year or two, it will be very though indeed. PPC is not my think so hopefully others can leave some recommendations, it was just an idea though, and it may be a short cut if you have the funds.

  8. Dave,

    Awesome post.

    I thought I pop my head in here and share my experience. I quit my job close to 9 months ago in which I was comfortably making over 120K a year. But like you Dave, I am not a social beast and worse of all having to socialise with d**k heads and bosses and sucking up really sucked me dry. I didn’t play the games, I was straight to the point and take the responsibility type person. Didn’t work to well!!! Well in the end I told them to get shove and I starting my dot com lifestyle.

    Quitting is NOT EASY, it is tougher than I thought. I still have no clue how to make money online with NEW sites. I have about 20 sites at the moment, l make 1K+/mon for an age site, and the combine of the rest is 10$/mon. Quite disheartening frankly…but ultimate I think I know the answer I need to backlink? Backlink every post I think you said?

    Well the saddest thing is I thought after 5 years I knew anything or something about MMO, well I guess I dont. I thought that if I can make 1K with one site why cant I make 50 sites to do the same. I used the same process for my new sites, well … ehhh doesnt work.

    I hate everything about content writing and the idea of respinning really annoy the crap out of me. But it is something I have to overcome. I think time to buy some tools to respin and outsource all content writing…this is probably the tough part! How can I spend money when the money I barely make just keeps me alive! Good grief! The hardest thing is not knowing when it will convert.

    Your post really inspired me to motor on and keep building Amazon sites. I have started from scratch for an Amazon Niche site, it currently ranks for lots of terms but ZERO conversion at the moment. Friggin hate it. I guess a question, should I continue to rank it or start a new niche? Move on and build another one?

    But I wanted to tell everyone what QUITTING my day job has given me. My Freedom, My Time back. I workout everyday at the gym, I read, I go do things with my Wife, I spent time with my folks for 3 months (it will never happen again probably), all the things I been putting off I have finally completed. I finally had the opportunity to explore my city. OMG theres a coffee shop near my place that is awesome, who would have guess it. LOL.

    There definitely more things in life than working for the boss, but this life aint for everyone. Total dedication, sweat, tears, depression and whole lot more. I really do struggle…watching all my friends get there brand spanking cars, houses while I still rent and have my bommy car…oops. They all think I am crazy, but hopefully I get there one day.

    I really appreciate your advise Dave and others a like. Thanks for the help, time to continue on with the slog.

    Good luck everyone

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @mkt, You might want to strangle me for saying this but try out Dragon (the Windows version) if you think talking about stuff comes easier to you than typing about it. Content writing becomes a breeze for most people if you can get your handle around that. You can get it from Amazon (use Dave’s link) and if you don’t like it you can always return it. (No hard feelings Dave!)

    I’ve put a bunch of writers onto it after a discussion I had here with someone and figured out that my highest performing writer uses it.

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:


    Thanks for the tip. I see if they have it in Australia! ๐Ÿ˜‰


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Brave man, but sounds like long term you did the right thing, if just for a bit of peace!

    It is always a tough call with a niche site as to whether to continue or not. The way I see it is that you need to be ranking for at least a year to know whether to really carry on or not.

    We have a few sites that are totally seasonal, and to a real extreme. Earnings for 9 months can be in the hundreds and then for 2 or 3 months a niche can make $30K, it can be that extreme. Look on google trends and if you are ranking in peak time and not selling then change the them a bit and if still no joy just move on and use it for links.

    There is definitely a real mix to this life, good rewards but as you say a lot of work and and guarantees. But the bottom line is also that money isn’t everything, if no boss makes you happier in your life and allows you more freedom to enjoy it then I would take a pay cut any day.

    I hear the birds singing and I don’t have to rush my coffee to go work for a Dick! That is enough for me as long as I can eat 8)

    Vote -1 Vote +1mkt Reply:


    Google trend! OMG YOU ARE A GENIUS.

    Now I know what is happening!


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Yep, simple and quick but it can mean the difference between ditching a good site and making a killing for a few months of the year that can see you through the lean times. I would have ditched a few sites if it wasn’t for a quick 30 second peek there.

  9. Great post Dave and it couldn’t have happened at a better time.

    I, like your average n00b, dabbled on a lot of different things on and off for the last 4 years. It wasn’t until Nov of last year that things ‘clicked’ for me.

    If you can make $1 online then there’s no excuse from making a full time income because you’re only limited by your own work ethic. Once i realized that fact, i calculated my average income per article and committed to scaling up that amount to a full time income’s worth.

    The beauty of it all is that the whole dang formula to making money online is so simple. Post content, backlink, monetize the traffic. Literally forget all that junk about checking on your competition, checking your rank, reading new methods etc.. Just keep repeating those first 2 value building activities like a robot and you’ll get there.

    Currently my traffic is monetized with adsense because i love how easy it is to put on. I want to switch the monetization method to amazon for a week or two and see how it compares. I wanted to write an amazon module like the one squidoo has where you enter in a seed keyword and it just displays the top 4 amazon results. I couldn’t find a plugin that allows you to do that.

    But either way, if you can pull in the traffic, then monetization can be switched in and out.
    Currently there’s about 500 hours of work standing between me and enough traffic to warrant a full time income. I’m committed to taking that mountain down!

    Thanks for the inspirational post Dave. I just wanted to share my enthusiasm.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Best way to work ever Dude. Forget nearly all that you know (not hard in my case) and just write and link. And repeat until sick.

    It is so easy to get distracted by shiny new things and the bottom line is that there ain’t no shortcuts.

    So, about 4 months and you will be where you want, go get ’em Tiger, Grrrrrrrrrrrr.

  10. What a trip. Your path is almost the same as mine, except my wife kept working at a normal job the entire time. I’ve been a slave to the links for just over two years now, and my income reflects that. I can now live comfortably wherever in the world I want.

    I woke up today, knocked out two dozen BMR posts, and now I’m off to spend the rest of the day on the shiny new mountain bike I bought yesterday.

    I think that some people are just too cautious to give up a steady income. Without taking the plunge you’ll never really know what you’re capable of.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Yep, it is a big step, the fear factor can be huge for some, but a lifetime of doing what you want to do is well worth it, although I would rather be sunbathing than biking ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Bruce Reply:


    I just purchased BMR – yes from Daves’s link – & use my Dragon software, however the biggest problem I’m finding is what the heck to write about after 10 a day for a month, all to the same niche, as I understood they do have to be “on target” to your subject.

    Or do they?

    Is my plan of 10 a day, every day, t the one website I’m hoping to build up, gonna cut it? Wjhat’s a good number of daily BMR posts in other words?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    That is a good number to a site a day. Just make sure you change the category your posts are in on BMR now and then, as well as the length and where the links are in the content, so it looks more natural.

  11. A great story and motivational post! I’ve read a lot of posts by people now who didn’t really start to succeed in IM until they lost and/or quit their job. I was in a similar situation myself after separating from my husband. For me, the past year and a half has been a real learning exercise in how to live as cheaply as possible while building a business based on passive income streams. The sacrifices I made certainly seem worthwhile now. Although I still have a ways to go before I will feel really comfortable with my online earnings, the predictable passive income I’m earning each month right now certainly is worth not having to put my son in daycare full time while I spend 10 hours a day working/commuting to and fro a job (and probably earning less after all is said and done then what I’m bringing in passively right now). And I’m so happy I’ve been able to stay home with my son (while working my butt off each night once he’s asleep) and been able earn a living (well, kind of) this way… Anyway, thanks for sharing – this post really made my day! ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Thanks for the comment and that is exactly what I was hoping for. It isn’t just about the money is it. That is great but it is the quality of the life too.

    Being able to spend time with your Son that you would missed out on is pretty much priceless and this game allows us that freedom.

    I hope this year is great for you Michelle.

  12. I’ve almost finished my first week of life without a job. I loves it! Like the best school teachers, I’ll never forget your lessons! Who says you can’t mix business and pleasure?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay94,

    And now the student becomes the teacher! This year is gonna be big lando, very big indeed.

    We is going places innit!

  13. Urgle, I DO NOT like this whole paying tax thing.

    Man, it don’t seem RIGHT!

  14. I think the hardest part of this whole game is not actually the formula. Like Dave and many others have mentioned here if you just keep creating content and backlinking the crap out of it, you will hit something eventually. You just need to have your eyes and ears open to see what is working and ditch the rest that is not …

    BUT the actual hardest part is staying motivated throughout this whole process. To wake up and write and write and write, mostly about something you don’t even care.

    I believe that the real secret is hidden in this part here in the ‘Niche Domination’ post:

    “Internet Marketing itself should be your passion, it doesnโ€™t have to mean that the sites that you make to involve your passion need to be about things that you care about in any deep sense.

    It is all a question of motivation and personality.”

    I think that is the ‘secret’ right there.

    But ’nuff talk, small question regarding the content you put up on your websites: from what I’ve read in your last post about ‘Proudback’, your content is mostly just to point out links to where people can buy their products. I believe that I read somewhere here once something along the lines that you don’t really need to tell much more than something like “well, this is a good chair isn’t it? Here’s where you can buy it” for people that just want to find where they can buy it.

    But I was going through the ‘Amazonian Profit Plan’ and they talk about how big was the difference when they improved their reviews quality. I mean, if someone that is 100% sure that he will buy the product gets to your site, then true, it doesn’t really matter what you say.

    But that is not what happens most cases. For those that are still undecided, do you think it really helps in conversion writing the best review possible?

    I’m trying to balance here having 5 GREAT reviews vs. 15 MEDIUM reviews.

    What do you reckon?


    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Bruno, Buying keywords V/S Review keywords.
    Have a look @ Tracey’s latest post for a good primer on how you can get a mix of these on your site.

    If you’re wondering about the science behind it then people reading reviews are one step removed from people who put in buying keywords. The ones that land up on research pages are looking to finalize their decision about the product (is the product capable of providing more value than the $X you would have to give up for it?) and the buying keyword guys are looking to spend money on that specific product (where can I find the cheapest product?).

    Above logic only holds for product searches where there is no further segmentation that is possible. For example, it will not hold for someone typing in “buy socks” but will work for “buy Japanese knee high socks, size 3”.

    For people looking to buy the product, copy is unnecessary and in some cases can be bad for you since P&W suggest talking about the negatives of the product as well.

    /Marketing โ‰  Ethics on Thursdays.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Bruno, Even when writing large P&W style reviews, if you’re getting traffic for buying keywords but don’t want to compromise on value or text for the Gbot to chew on, then you could always write head-tail copy.

    You start off with the first paragraph saying how cool the product is, how many people like it on Amazon, a choice quote and some good engaging copy with a CTA or two. Start the story (what P&W call it) in the next paragraph and carry on with your review.

    It is not as ideal as having separate pages for targeted traffic since they buyers sometimes scroll down to read more.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Bruno Reply:


    thanks a lot for the anwer Wishal!

    It has definitely cleared up some questions that I had regarding Amazon reviews and product pages.

    Thanks for pointing out Tracey’s latest post; I’ve missed that.

    Regarding that post, what is your take on that, do you create an authority site like she describes or do you create websites targeting only buying keywords?

    Thanks again

    Vote -1 Vote +1Bruno Reply:


    well, actually I’ve read again Amazon associates guide here and it basically says to aim for buying keywords, to have most titles with buying keywords unless I really want to make a reviews website (which I don’t)

    I’ll probably aim mostly buying keywords, but I’ll add some reviews, articles, etc to make into a useful authority website

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I can’t improve on Wishal’s answer there Dude, he nailed it.

  15. Hi Dave,

    Personally speaking I find that I really only have a limited amount of “inspired” time each day in which I can really motor with my work. The first few hours after I get up are when I write 90% of my best content, come up with my best ideas and achieve the most. As the days goes on I find myself achieving less and less, and playing around more and more. So for me, I achieve pretty much the same whether I work 3 hours a day or 12 hours a day.

    Because of this I have held onto my job for a while longer as I am seeing my own sales and traffic going up all the time while still earning a full-time income. Because of this I am able to reinvest a lot of my online income into growing my network more every month.

    Now certainly the time will come – soon enough no doubt. And while I appreciate your perspective on the situation I still wonder about how risky this strategy of quitting your job prematurely is particularly for those with overheads. Perhaps cutting down your overheads as much as possible then taking a part-time job working as few hours as possible just to cover those expenses would be a happy medium?


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Richard @ Lifestyle Design Unleashed,

    It is all down to the individual, you are right. I certainly wouldn’t say for someone to do it if they are not going to really work flat out. Your way is great Richard, especially if you like your job.

    I just think that a real motivator is going to be the fact that you simply HAVE to succeed. Even if someone thinks they are only inspired for a few hours a day would feel differently if it was earn or die!

  16. Dave
    A quick question about baclinking. I notice you highly recommend both BMR and Backlink Solutions, which would you suggest is best, notwithstanding cost. I’ve realised I have to get serious about baclinking and I’m not sure which would be the best bet to get started with.
    PS Halfway through your Amazon guide and I’ve already learnt lots!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Vince Squires,

    Unfortunately I would recommend BMR. I say that as it is all manual writing where BS is for spinning content. But the truth is that BMR works a lot better and gives better results. If money is no problem then I would certainly get both.

    Glad you are enjoying the guide.

  17. Hey Dave, thanks for the inspiration, man. I have a question for you. Should I consider it normal for new pages (on a 4.5-year old, high traffic site) to jump around like hell after I start backlinking them? I am new to the backlinking game and have noticed that new pages that I have backlinked (only about 3 links a day per page) will be in the third page of the SERPS and then drop out of the SERPS entirely and not even be in the top 300. I know you talk about the Google Dance, but is that dramatic of a fluctuation normal? Thanks for your help!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Yep, totally normal, especially for sites that haven’t had regular links for some time or at all. The only way to avoid it is to go very slow with the links, like 1 day if that. But usually sites settle down after a while when ti seems normal for them to get regular links.

  18. Yeah, come to Thailand and live off a lot less.

    Although I’m still waiting for my efforts to start to pay off but while I wait the beaches are nice!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Man I love Thailand, and yeah, super cheap and amazing beaches too.

  19. I took your advice and it works. Gave up the day job. Hm…no…it gave me up. Does that count?

    Sage advice, Dave – and could not agree more. Even though I always say that. Double it. I doubly could not agree more this time.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Still counts!

    Good not having a real job innit?

  20. Ha, when I came over to Spain in 2002, my cash ran out really quick and I was down to busking to get food money until the band I was in started getting regular gigs. It sort of humbles you, being totally broke in a foreign country with no welfare and living on a mountain!

    Lucky I had no mortgage and bills were almost zero too – no electricity, no water, no mail, no nothin’ hahaha! Just needed gas for the cooker, gas for the van and food for me and my dog. You can actually pick up some of that story on my neglected doggy site here: (no link)dogswish.com/chelsea.php if you’re interested.

    Things got harder not easier when I met my (now long term) partner in 2004 and I eventually moved to her place on the coast where there are jobs. Ugh, I did so many different jobs its untrue, but still had some money from the band(s) but working late nights then getting up for a day job was not easy. The day jobs never lasted very long hahaha!

    I fell back into IT in 2006 when I did some consulting work for a small vacation company on their websites for a 3 month contract. It was my first jump into Linux and dedi hosting, php/mysql programming and all that stuff. Big learning curve and I learned a lot, but not how to make money online from any of it. That came later.

    By the end of 2006 being broke again, I tried to figure out how to make that easy fast cash online. Oh yeah, these dudes were making $3176 a week and they wanted to sell me a $97 ebook to tell me how they did it…

    Yeah, right. I have a pretty good bullshit meter and figured that if they really could make that kind of money, why TF would they share that knowledge with ANYONE! Unless they liked competition taking it all off them, it was pretty obvious that they made their money selling said ebook to noobs like me.

    I didn’t bump into Griz until later, so floundered around with list builders and bloggers like Yaro/Chow/Shoemoney etc for too long. What a waste of time and effort. The only thing that kept me going is I figured out you could make a lot of money with selling links via PayPerPost, Smorty and their clones, which lasted until the big G-boot squashed all that at the end of 2007. Luckily, I also scored a big, long term writing gig that paid my bills and made it possible to start buying domains and working them. Through 2007 I made some affiliate sales but nothing special. It wasn’t until 2008 that I started making decent cash, which took over nicely as the writing gig dropped off.

    That was the year I joined up with some of the guys and gals from the Bike Shed and started on the weight loss Road To Enlightenment. It was a lot of work and very little return to start with, not until May 2009 did I start making good affiliate conversions. I had spent so much time on that niche that my other projects were on the back burner. Luck for me I persevered, because I’m a tenacious bugger. By the start of last year I was on a full-time income from weight loss alone. All the rest was and still is gravy.

    Now why did I write and tell you all that? ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Terry, The post on Chelsea was beautiful. Been a long time since I ever called any thing that. I’ve totally glossed over your comment so should probably bookmark to read it later.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Wishal, Chelsea was part of the reason I left the UK for Spain, where dog laws were more relaxed and so was life in general. In the UK, owning a dog was getting tougher and the laws were getting more ridiculous, like you could be sued if your dog barked at someone even if she was in your garden behind a fence. Crazy.

    Living on a mountain in Spain, she could run free and just be a dog, bothering no one apart form a few locals that came up to gather wild asparagus in the rainy months, who thought she was great fun, and left totally alone in the hot summer.

    Plus I wanted a different way of life. Living in the UK was stifling. Everything that moved was taxed, every penny I earned, went out in bills. I was merely existing and decided it was not the way I wanted to live any more.

    Spain offered an easier option. I loved the “maรฑana” attitude, the cost of living was way lower and I figured I cold live well enough as a musician and not work my bollocks off for no visible return. Once the “broke” period ended and the band started getting regular work, life really turned nice. At the ripe young age of 43 I was re-living my teens, singe guy, playing music, meeting plenty of women and partying on the coast at night! During the morning, I worked on my mountain farm and in the afternoons, food, siesta and relaxation.

    From my vantage point, I could sit down with a cup of tea, watch the sun go down over the mountains in the distance and chill! Now that is living!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Hey, cool read Terry. It is good to get some background on each other, makes it REAL.

    The work pays off in the end doesn’t it, but boy is it a hard slog. I will check out that site, sounds like perfect Sunday reading.

    All those blogger dudes and their bull, it makes me angry. So many peeps follow them and the reality is that it is a road to nowhere, apart for them and all the crap they sell to noobs.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, Oh yes, this game is long hard work, especially when you don’t really know what you’re doing. Even with Griz’s info, I struggled at least at first.

    I guess that’s why so many fail. They just don’t have the right info to work with, get scammed by some lowlife list builder and throw the towel in.

    Even when you know exactly what to do and how to do it, its the DOING IT part that eludes many people. I mean, how many ways can you tell people to build keyword optimized content and then build links to that content? That’s pretty much it in a nutshell.

    You can add some embellishments like going for buying KWs and choosing niches that convert. But in the end it all comes down to basics and how determined you are to get that cash that’s sitting on the table.

    Those blogger types are just self serving salespeople who don’t care who they rip off to get their paycheques. The whole MMO niche is a hotbed of opportunists trying to make a buck off noobs who come looking for ways to make some money fast and easy.

    Here’s a short story on this very subject.

    One of my not-so-proud-of jobs I did down here for a few months back in 2005 was selling vacation packages to holidaymakers who were hijacked in the street by OPCs with scratchcards that always won a prize. You know the same scam timeshare used to use to get victims (known as “ups”) to their sales deck for a 3 hour marathon sales pitch.

    “Oh wow, we won a free holiday! So all we have to do is sit through a short presentation? And you pay for our taxi? And we get a free drink? Lead the way!”

    It was amazing how many stupid people there were walking around! How could they not know it was a scam? All the same, my job was to give that “presentation” where I was really just trying to sell them a vacation package for ยฃ3k. Some actually bought! On the face of it, it was actually not such a bad deal, but unless you holidayed more than 3 times a year, it was not worth having.

    But what that job taught me was how to get people to buy things they don’t really want. Using sales spiel to show how great their lives would be if they signed up, using closed questions to avert reasons not to, getting them to agree that they wanted it and then BAM, sign on the dotted line! These techniques work online too selling affiliate things. It also works very well for gurus scamming noobs because they also know this technique that all sales people know and that is to appeal to a person’s greed.

    Greed is the key. People are greedy and will grab at something if they think it will either save them a lot of money or make them a lot of money.

    Those dumb fools would not have gotten into that taxi if they hadn’t been lured with a free holiday, free drink etc for no work on their behalf. They would not have signed on the dotted line if they hadn’t been tricked into believing they would save so much money on their holidays by joining the vacation club.

    And noobs would not buy $97 ebooks if they weren’t tricked into believing they will make fast easy cash for very little work!

    Mmmm, I’m on a writing mission today. All this writing and not for BMR is actually a refreshing diversion hahaha! Now I should get back to work.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    You are on a mission, it makes a change to writing just for the sake of it though doesn’t it?

    Terry you bring up some interesting points about noobs being milked by the gurus, I hate it. I wasted, just like you did, a lot of time because of it and it is a setup for failure for most people.

    There is no secret to any of this but most people simply fail to believe it.

    You know, it was slightly ridiculous but my Amazon post was getting referenced all the time on places like the Warrior Forum when people would ask what the best guide was and who sold it.

    They would be told that they could get a great free one and that it was as good as the $40-$90 guides if not better. The WF folks always kept quiet when they were told about it, it was like they WANTED to waste money!

    Sometimes you really can’t help people as they refuse to believe that free is good.

    So, what the hell, it is now a tenner, if it carries on like it has been doing it will be at least $3000 extra for the year with a sale most days. Sometimes the saying “If you can’t beat em, join em”, is true.

    I find all this game odd and bizarre, the crap that people pay for and never ask for a refund is amazing and free stuff to many is simply never going to be any good. It is a shame as this mentality is what makes a lot of noobs fail.

    But, hey, I am in IM to earn a living so it’s all good. My first ever payed for piece of writing, even if it took a year to bother to try to earn from it.

    I feel a bit hypocritical but no one ever said this was a straightforward game.

    And in regards to your comment about the Dogs, we just had a great walk with our Girls, man, they love the freedom of a Spanish mountain. It will be weird when we move back to the UK, I am sure, but we will be back out often for some Spanish relaxation and killer country walks.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Dave, What you said about WF’ites preferring to pay for ebooks than get the info free as with your Amazon post – people often believe that if you have to pay for something, then it must be better than what you get for free. Mmmm…

    You could probably package that post up in a $47 ebook and sell a ton of them! But I know you won’t do that and I understand why.

    A good side of doing it this way is you’ll get more people to this site to read through all the gems of info that you and some of the commenters have made here. It will even save a few enlightened noobs from being scammed, which is sooo worth it. ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Bern Reply:

    @Terry, and Dave

    The difficulty when you first start out is finding the wheat from the chaff and knowing who to trust and believe. Some get lucky, others buy products that are not suited to their skill set or the products are rehashed shit pimped by someone who makes a living pimping ideas rather than implementing them.

    You can become jaded when this happens and when good info is free you begin to look for the angle.

    I have no problem with buying information if it saves me time and can increase my bottom line.

    I have paid $100s of dollars for info that in the end was worth squat to me and I purchased a $12 ebook that added thousands to our business because it was very relevant to what we were doing at the time and still is today.

    Dave – If you know hand and heart what you do works, and we both know it does, then charge if you want. You are providing value and that’s tradable. Especially when it can result in life changing income for those who implement.

    A point to consider for those who purchase products or read free information is that you still need to think and act for yourselves. That $12 ebook worked for us because we made it work by tweaking and testing. Every niche is different and we as individuals will do things differently. Our words will be different, our links will be different. The speed we build content and links will be different, etc etc.

    You need to use the grey matter when things don’t go to plan.

    If the pages you’re building aren’t ranking or aren’t converting try to think why and come up with possible solutions. Ask questions and test the answers…

  21. Hey, perfect timing. I’m quitting my corporate management job end May to become internet marketeer full time :p I’m making only 2-300 per month now, but made savings that will last for 1 year. Will work like a demon and make it happen ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Must say that your site Dave is the most inspiring out of anything I’ve found ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Separately, I have a – I want to make a review site in which to put a photo of the “persona” who makes the reviews. Where to take a photo from to be ok with copyright? I wanted to buy from ist0ckph0tos, but in the terms and conditions I read it should not come accross that the person in the photo endorses any products….Any idea on how to go about this? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Carlo, Pick one that has been used the least number of times. Change later if any issues crop up. Or use an avatar.

    Or, use a pen name and use your own pick. Don’t call your pen persona Jenny though. ๐Ÿ˜›

    Dave truly is friggin awesome.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Yeah, giving the finger to the corporate machine ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Thanks for the compliment too, sweet.

    I know it is naughty but I just nick whatever I want from google images. If you just do a search for a name and take their image the chance of them ever seeing it is pretty remote. And if you ever hear anything about it then just say sorry and change it. But that is not good advice, very naughty. If you do use images that are not yours though make doubly sure you have a contact form on the site, you don’t want it getting ugly if they can’t contact you easy.

  22. Dave,

    I posted up about my site a while back, I was having trouble getting ranked and you guys give me some advice about link building, I did nothing but link building for a while and registered my domain for 3 years instead of one, I am now out the sandbox and doing pretty good for most of my 300+ product keywords.

    The biggest issue I’m having is that my website is ranking and getting traffic for a buying keyword, it’s getting people viewing and people are clicking on the part that says “buy now” I did this on purpose so I could filter that they are actually interested in buying the product……..so I’m ranking well, getting traffic for a buying term and getting clicks BUT the product is out of stock!

    However I will repeat the same process to another product that is in stock and hopefully I will be writing to you guys saying I made my first sale, however I do have a question:

    When I make a sale how do I know what keyword converted, I mean amazon doesn’t give me this information but really the keyword that converted is obviously the best piece of data I can collect, does anyone have a working solution to get these keywords?

    I thought about setting up a redirect page so I can install analytics and capture which keyword converted into a “buy now” click, I could then go in and perhaps match up the time or something to find out which keyword was used but this is really a rubbish work around, I’d appreciate the help if anyone can help, do you have your own solution to this dave or are you more of a “get ranked for every possible buying term” guy?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Bummer on the product, have you tried other affiliate programs? Also try giving your alternate recommendation and say that it is not available anymore so you recommend …………

    I can’t really help with that level of tracking, sorry dude. I do just go for my main term, see how it goes and then go for all the buying terms as well.

    The only way to really test as far as I know would be to run a very small adwords campaign for the terms and see what happens. That will tell you exactly what converts and what doesn’t.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Mick Reply:

    @Dave, Thanks for the help dave.

    Haven’t tried other aff. programs because it seems the product has gone out of stock everywhere, I have tried the recommendation, it was the same model but a different colour, unfortunately when I changed the on page copy my rank dropped, however I will repeat the same process with another model and hopefully get some sales.

    I am so close to getting this right I can taste it, I can’t wait to log into amazon and see some commission, I’ll report back when I do.

  23. Hi Dave,

    Really inspiring post.

    I just wanted to know your take on pre-owned domains. I just took the risk and bought an aged domain, it is from 2005 according to archive.org. It is a PR4 and it seems to be well linked, however most links obviously use a totally unrelated anchor to my target keywords. Do you think it will help at all or did I just waste my money?

    In general terms, what do you think to be better, an aged and backlinked domain like the one I just bought but with no keywords at all in the url (obviously I would use them in the title of the site and posts) or a brand new domain with no age, no backlinks and no pagerank but with the keywords in the url. Which would help me rank faster?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Definitely an aged domain, I don’t doubt it. After a fair bit of testing with my own domain names it seems easy to rank for your terms without the exact match when you it as the name of the site.

    I am finally going to get in to buying aged sites myself this week, it is not something I should have been so slack about.

    Vote -1 Vote +1chris Reply:


    I always look for a good aged domain to buy for starting a site. It’s not that i backlink a whole ton at the start (i still ease into it), but i believe the domain age helps with trust and thus ranking.

    I don’t necessarily care about PR.. just that the domain is > 10 yrs old and isn’t banned from the index.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Got myself a 14 year old site this week, I am quite excited about it. Buying aged domains is all new to me, it takes time to find em but I am looking forward to working on them to see what happens.

    Thanks for the tips Chris, any tips yo have on using aged domains is more than welcome, for me, not these guys ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1chris Reply:


    Hey guys,

    I’m not an expert by any means but what’s worked for me so far is to look through the ‘fixed price’ and ‘make an offer’ sections of namepros forum. I look for domain names that are aged greater than 10 yrs, run a check on G using site:domainname and i want to see it indexed so i know its not banned from the index.

    I’ll also look it up at archive.org to see if i can see what it was used for before. If any pages come off as spammy or used for IM, i’ll avoid it. I look for the name that doesnt contain dashes or a bunch of numbers and try to see if i can build a site around the name (is it brandable?) because my goal is to create large sites with many pages.

    I’ll aim to pay around $15-20 unless its a really good one word name or something.

    It’s worked out well so far for the three purchases i’ve made. Things get indexed fast and i start getting traffic in the first week.

    I’m definitely moving towards building large brandable sites rather than a ton of thin sites. At some point i want to buy a domain name with high PR and see how that makes a difference too. Curious to see if things would instantly rank well with a high PR site.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @chris, Cogent tips there chris.

    For anyone just getting into the domain buying game, make sure you don’t buy expired domains. A bunch of ‘clocks’ that influence rankings get reset when that happens.

    Check out http://freshdrop.net . Unless I am brokering a deal directly, this is where I go for all soon-to-expire domains. Sedo is good as well, but I just prefer the interface these guys have.


    You might want to look into buying established websites instead of just aged domains. They cost a lot more (decent ones start at $5K) but if the niche is right (& you’ve got a product that you know converts) you can make that dosh back in a month.

    That really works out of you buy an AdSense site for $5K and switch it around to an affiliate site. Most AdSense folks under-value the cost of the content that they’ve put up there.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I could never do that! I would be too freaked that the day I bought it some algo would hit and it would be dead in the water.

    I just know that it would happen.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Good tips, I just bought a ton of sites. Some PR 4 and old and a load of pr1 sites for a few bucks each. Gonna be interesting.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Gilles Reply:

    @chris, @Dave
    Thanks guys for the advice!

    If you are new to buying aged domains, I am new to buying any domains aged or new. Had been using blogspot, hubs and squidoos and even a couple free hosts. But since the last google hit on hubpages I decided it was simply time to work on my own properties.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Good call, it is always best to invest most time in your own sites, you keep all the loot!

  24. Hi Dave

    I really think the secret to internet marketing success is you have to be desperate. You and Wifey put yourselves into a situation where it was do or die, and you have had great success. Congratuations! Now to figure out how I can achieve the same drive as you guys to actually do the work required:-)

    An unrelated question – have you notice Google product search results having much effect on your rankings and/or traffic? Thanks, Rachel

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Can’t say I have noticed a difference although I am in mini crisis at the moment as a few sites have literally tanked overnight big time.

    But it is part of the game and to be expected.

    Maybe go live in a cardboard box? That would give you plenty of motivation to earn big, just make sure they have Wi-Fi installed.

  25. Definitely awe-inspiring, wish i could try this full time but I’ve got to go to SCHOOL and in the end to get a J.O.B, which ill hopefully manage to quit sooner rather than later, you definitely deserve the success you’ve had so far (maybe a little too much success? :P)

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Far from being too much Karl, I am still very small fry, I just get by.

    But Man I envy you. If I had started this game when I was in SKOOL (correct grammar please ๐Ÿ˜‰ ) I would be totally loaded now I am an old man of 38. Keep on doing it and you will be retired before my age and being fed grapes by…………better stop there, don’t know how old you are!

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Karl, While school is just one of those things you have to do in this life, it doesn’t mean you can’t use some spare time to learn this business we’re in now and get good at it. Believe me, there is enough info in this one site to show you how you can get very good at this in a relatively short time!

    When I was at school there were no computers. I remember the first kid in our class to turn up with a “calculator”. It was nothing much more than a basic adding machine but we all thought is was so cool! When I started work age 17 in IT, computers were IBM water-cooled monsters the size of a truck trailer. Portability just hadn’t been invented.

    The windowless computer floor at the computer centre of NatWest Bank where I worked was the size of two football pitches side by side and crammed full of those big blue boxes. The processing power of that whole floor was probably less than a few laptops networked together today. How times change.

    As soon as my daughter is old enough to understand this stuff (she’s not 2 yet), I’m giving her a laptop and teaching her how this works because it’d be nice if she could start high school with her first million already banked!

    So when her teacher asks the class what they want to be when they grow up, and the other kids chime in with J-O-B’s like “secretary”, “bricklayer”, “ballet dancer”, “bus driver”, “teacher” etc, she can stand up and say “millionaire CEO of my own online marketing company” and have a bank statement (and probably a fully staffed yacht) to prove it. Ha! ๐Ÿ™‚

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Karl Reply:

    @Terry, Its going to be very difficult to convince any ordinary kid to think like “entrepreneurs”. Since I was 11 I’ve alway thought of SKOOL as meaningless and only teaches people to be employees, In my (high) opinion, it will be difficult to teach any teenager this simply because of the environment that we grow up in (you know study=>job=>money).

    If you really wish to teach your daughter, from my experience of talking and socializing with teenagers (I think I have more recent “authority” on this) you must get them to TRULY UNDERSTAND the concepts of entrepreneurship (risk/work now and get paid later) and what a JOB truly leads into (read rich dad poor dad), you may want to get her to do economics and after the first year talk to her about the concept of jobs (salary wages etc.) and entrepreneurs. The reason i say this is simply because everyone my age centralizes money coming from a JOB source, they may understand the concept of dividends and yields from rental properties but they all think its too risky and its better to put your money in the shiny bank *cough*.

    Ive grown up with quite a few good friends and I have to admit that there are a few (many) moments where Im not exactly “with the group” and merely smile simply because they are talking about scores after exams and Im just there knowing the truth that studying leads to a JOB and a JOB (usually) leads to misery. The simple knowledge of that often makes it a bit lonely and i cant really get into the conversations about wanting a good JOB (or any JOB for that matter).

    Wow thats some heavy stuff that i really only had my parents to share with. Anyway WHO SAID THAT I HAVENT STARTED IMing YET???? This is exactly why i never tell my age on the internet, they all start assuming im just a pubescent teenager looking to make money online (sorta true actually), and treat me like im ignorant, I may be 15-18 years old but Ive gained and showed my maturity to my parents and they gave me $2500 for me to freely use for this, believe me this is showing huge leaps in my thoughts simply because they really wouldnt do this unless they trusted me 100%, the only thing is my Dad prefers that i fail, simply because he believes if i fail now then ill succeed much more in the future (im going to prove him wrong).

    Wow this is a long comment and i made it all about me, oh well this is my first time telling anyone else (bsides for parents) about my thoughts and i think i really needed to vent this out.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Karl Reply:

    @Karl, Oh hell so many grammar mistakes, im too tired gnite.

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @Karl, I actually understand exactly where you’re coming from Karl.

    I often wonder what I would have done if someone had come up to me when I was, say 16 and told me there was a better way than the way everyone else was conditioned to believe. I was pretty rebellious in that I often questioned why I was being taught certain things, but because I was always shouted down or even ridiculed by the “mob” majority for daring to be different, I just kept my opinions to myself.

    My father ran his own small business and was the kind of guy that would never work for a “boss”. So I already had that philosophy burned into my brain form the person I most looked up to.

    It didn’t stop me quitting school at 17 and getting a J-O-B at the bank in IT. Back in the late 70s, a job in computers was seen as a job for the future and I agreed. I figured what use would a bunch of exam passes be in 10 years time when the whole curriculum I’d been taught would be antiquated with everything being run by computers.

    I believe I was right to do what I did. But I was wrong to stay at it for so long (17 years) and not branch out on my own and take a damn risk.

    Both my brothers and sister worked for themselves. I was the only one in my family working for the man! But I couldn’t help it cause the money was so good back then. Read 80s, yuppies and loads of cash floating around the City (of London).

    I broke out if it in my early 30s when I realized the IT bubble was about to burst (corporate downsizing). I re-trained as a hypnotherapist and worked for myself for a few years, but ended up trying other things as well.

    Fast forward to today.

    I still work for myself as an IMer. It took me way too long to get to the point where I was self sufficient, but I just put it down to the hare and tortoise thing. The past is the past, can’t change it so no point in crying over it. I just live in the present and look to the future for growth.

    What I know now is pure gold. But I’m also realistic in that I understand that very few people will take an interest in what I do to the point where they would be willing to try it for themselves. People like the idea of fast easy cash, but as soon as you mention hard work, they’re outta there!

    I can’t know how my daughter will be as she grows up, because she will grow up in a country that is steeped in the traditions of “school – exams – job” but with an emphasis on “only work hard enough so you keep your job” while employers are fully aware of this and meet that with an attitude of “only pay them enough so they won’t leave”. Its a poverty attitude unfortunately where only lack and limitation is understood and expected. Shame.

    It all depends whether she inherits my “questioning/rebellious” gene and realizes that she may be alone in her own opinions of what is best for her and has the strength to resist the “herd mentality”. I think she will. That’s why I will teach her everything I know and I think she will want to know it. Not just about working this stuff online, but working with her thoughts, her mind and her intelligence to create her world that is the world she wants. And not the world that society tries to brainwash the herd into believing that’s what they should only ever expect to have.

    Maybe that makes sense, maybe not. It does to me ๐Ÿ™‚

    +2 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Man, you two are on a roll.

    You know between the young and the old we have here I really can’t think of anywhere else where you get this kind of support and proper help.

    I just wanted to say thanks to the both of you for being so honest and talking about stuff that most people outside of our circle simply fail to understand.

    I have lost track of the amount of time I have wasted explaining to others how to succeed in this game. Most get excited only to give up soon enough.

    Karl, you sound like one of the few that will succeed in this game. Go for it and use us an an example of peeps that you know have done it. There is absolutely no reason that you cannot be the top of the tree in this game if that is what yo wish.

    You sure have a head start on us older Dudes that is for sure.

    And thanks for sharing, we are here to listen and help whenever you feel like stopping by, we KNOW where you are coming from. There is no reason to follow the herd, peer pressure is a tough one but if you follow this career you will be looking back in a few years with amazement at what you have achieved. Whether you decide to work for the Man or not, never hurts to have a good back up as far as an earning career is concerned.

  26. hey Dave,

    Where is best to buy the aged domains from?

    And since the worldwide google panda update was applied on the 11th April, have you noticed any difference for your sites?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Max K,

    Yeah, 2 major authority sites have died a death at the moment. An article directory I had has dropped 50% in traffic and stupid sites that are crap and haven’t been touched for a year and a half have doubled in traffic.

    Woo hoo!

    That’s life, but I am sure business will return to normal in a month or two.

    As to buying aged domains, I am too new to give the best advice yet.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Max K Reply:

    @Dave, Seems like many people have been hit in some way.

    Will you backlink them to help them return or just see if it comes naturally?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Max K,

    I will just leave them alone for a few weeks to see what happens. No point worrying, what can you do?

    Vote -1 Vote +1chris Reply:


    Hey Dave,

    Do you find that your pageviews gradually start to decline when you stop backlinking?
    I find that if i stop backlinking, it doesn’t hold its level of traffic too well.. or maybe i’m getting caught up with normal fluctuations.

    Even though i know all i need to do is to scale up but each time i make less traffic than normal levels, doubt starts creeping into my head that maybe this whole model is not too stable, that maybe i should see whats wrong etc..

    Argh, its a big mental game!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Depends on the site, I have older sites that never get links, ever, and do fine. Other seem to need the links more regular.

    It is a scary business, no doubt, I am fed up this week, 2 of my babies got dissed. I am going for a totally different approach from now on. More soon.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay94 Reply:


    Nothing like a new approach ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay94,

    Indeedy, we are the Masters Lando.

  27. Hey folks.

    I like to keep my head low these days so I don’t comment too often anymore. I was reading the comments and noticed people were talking about Squidoo’s shitty rankings.

    I can confirm that Squidoos don’t rank and get traffic. I lucked out with a few but they never went higher than a couple of dozen visitors per day and have now vanished off the ranking chart.

    It doesn’t matter how many backlinks you hammer Squidoos with. You ain’t gonna make a dime with them anymore.

    I’ve started 2 new sites in big markets with high priced products and I’ve made sure the sites are BROAD.

    I’m currently providing ‘real value’ (a la Leo and Ben from MMWSEO) in the form of long posts with plenty of images and some embedded youtube videos.

    One of the sites is about a niche where new models come out all the time and people are addicted to this product. Because of the fact that I talk about new and hot upcoming stuff on this site, the site is already getting around 10 visitors per day now, despite being only 2 weeks old.

    This site doesn’t have one single money link on it yet. I’m postponing that until a few months from now.

    I’m renewing my 3-day-per-week contract with a client so I’ll be financially secure and safe for another year.

    And by the time the new contract ends, I’ll have so much money I could sustain myself for multiple years.

    But I plan on making it in MMO before that time.

    For real this time.

    Blackthorne out.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Thought you were quiet. Sounds like you are on a mission with a new plan Dude, good to hear.

    Everything has been slapped around the last month or so so don’t totally discount the squids yet, time may tell a different story. But we are in rocky times no doubt about it. Feeling it myself on a few sites.

    Went out and bought 10 or 15 new domains the last few days to make myself feel better. I am breaking my own rules and going for a totally new approach to my business.

    One of total and sheer domination via the power of my ability to spend money ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Empire here I come, I will see you there Blackthorne, at the top.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Bruno Reply:


    hey Dave, considering that you have quite some money to reinvest back on your sites, are you planning to outsource much?

    I mean, I reinvest around 25-35% of my profits back into my websites to speed up the process and leave me either with more free time or able to dedicate myself to only activities that have a high ROI.

    If you plan to automate/outsource most of your endeavours, there are some resources that you may check it out:

    – 4 hour workweek (I believe you already read that one)
    – E-myth, by Michael Gerber: Excellent book on starting small business
    http://www.tyroneshum.com/: there is this guy here who seems to focus solely on automation and outsourcing. I haven’t read a thing in his blog (it’s also in my to-to list), but there might be some good things out there.

    My plan is to get to a point that I can outsource as much as possible, even if that means reinvesting every single month 30% or more of my profits. This way I can scale up it quicker.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    We already have 2 full and 2 part time workers, more than enough really. We maybe spend 5% or 10% of our earnings each month on this game, can’t seem to spend anymore.

    It has definitely made a difference. But I am totally changing how I work from this week on so the outsourcers are going to be doing different stuff too. But I would say to everyone that you are on the right track Bruno, it takes you to a great income all the quicker. I will check out that site, and the 4HWW is a good book, have you read the 4 hour body? Good stuff, if a little bizarre.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, Change = Longer reviews / tips/how to articles / slower backlinking / mixed up anchors?

    I just had an old site bounce back on me last month after about 7 months. It was #1 when it went off to Neverland (#120 something). I slowed down link building to random anchors, added a bunch of info articles and then really filled out thin pages. It only had about 130 pages so it wasn’t that crazy. Hopefully it’s just one of those days. Good thing I had a healthy PPC budget set aside for that one in the meanwhile.

    4HB is the bee’s knees. Quite entertaining but I’m not a fan of his Slow Carb diet. I prefer the Leangains approach instead. That said his little ‘home remedies’ to help keep GI effects in check are fun to try out.

    BTW, check out ‘The truth about alcohol, fat loss and muscle growth’ @ http://www.leangains.com/2010/07/truth-about-alcohol-fat-loss-and-muscle.html

    It’ll help keep the weight off when you move back to the UK.

    *Just saw the new pop up (down?).
    Ha Ha.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Something like that but with even more reach. Thanks for the link, will check it out. Don’t want to get a fish and chips belly ๐Ÿ˜‰

    The popup has been there a while, you must have a new ip?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Bruno Reply:


    humm interesting. Yeah, I believe your 5-10% is somewhere around 200% of my profits hehe

    Where do you find your VAs? odesk? elance? yourmaninindia?

    I must say that the 4 hour workweek has been the book that has influenced me the most in all aspects. Outsourcing, elimination, automation, “muses”, etc etc. Almost my whole MMO venture started there … That’s why I quickly started outsourcing as much as possible because I’ve had previously read that book …

    I haven’t, but I have heard a lot about it. maybe I’ll buy it.

    Ahhh, I just love my Kindle. I can now save all articles with Instapaper and have them delivered in my kindle as a feed in the morning for a nice read … Beautiful.

    Hummm … Changes huh? Will we know about what you are up to these days? ๐Ÿ˜‰

    by the way, interesting article Wishal. Thanks

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    We get our gals from the Philippines via onlinejobs.ph and some have been excellent, but we pay $110 a week to get good writers.

    I am writing up my new approach now, plus it means I will be extra busy for the next month too. There are some interesting new developments, at least for me anyway.

  28. I don’t know if youve covered this or not before but im just going to ask ;).

    I’ve read about Fraser’s method and well affiliate/your method and i thought, heck why not place all that in one site? So basically have an authority topic site with hundreds/thousands of posts and have adsense on informational keywords and products on product type keywords, also to implement the TKA method I’d backlink each article at least once. would there be any problems with this? (e.g. maybe 50 product type keywords on the same thing is not so good on an adsense-using-website).

    I just simply cant imagine spreading my concentration on 50 websites (probably not even 5 tbh), 2 is confusing/difficult as it is.

    Vote -1 Vote +1chris Reply:


    Hey Karl,

    Yeah, i’ve gone to this method as well.. general purpose article directory type of site, but i do the keyword research and backlink every single post on the site. I find that posts are ranking even though the site is general topic.

    I target really low comp keywords though: less than 100 from a niche refinery score.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Nothing wrong with working on just one site, and I have mixed up monetization too. But, and I am glad I did, you need backup sites. I have lost 2 big earners this week, hopefully they will be back, but I have other good earners too. If you only work on one site then you risk everything. At least work on a couple, and with totally different monetizations too.

    Never rely on only one way to make money, i.e one aff program, adsense, site, or niche.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Karl Reply:

    @Dave, Thanks

    @Chris: ive tried a megasite before and it didnt go well, purely because i really couldnt handle it (bad concentration span) i quit for about 3 months and now im back, this time ive got more than one set up and about to backlink them.

    @dave: I just thought of a good topic that i would quite like to try out, and implementing everything that I’ve mentioned before seemed like a good way to go, i was just wondering if i could write several product keyword titles on a google-adsense-using website (ofc adsense will not be on product articles), i was just wondering if there was any problem with trying to actually try this out.

    p.s. yes im too careful, maybe im procrastinating?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, I’m sorry to hear you have lost 2 sites Dave.

    Were they on the same hosting? Were they interlinked? Have they been linkspammed by the competition?

    You’ve done a Google reconsideration request in the past. Maybe you should try it again.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Thanks Dude. I will just wait and see. I have had sites get slapped for over a year so often it is just a waiting game.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Blackthorne Reply:

    @Dave, Thanks for informing me.

    I’ll leave my slappers alone to come back whenever the time is ripe.

    No sense in flogging a dead horse.

  29. Dave or any one am trying to link my affiliate links on amazon to an image on my site. each and every time i link this links to my image it doesn’t lead me directly to amazon please how can i do it and how can i add no follow links to it. thanks for the help

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    If it’s wordpress then do this. Add the image and where it says url for image simply add in the Amazon code. To get his go to make a text link and use the first part of the code up to the end of the asin number, without quotes.

    The go to the html side of the post and add in rel=”nofollow” after the quotes that appear after the asin or creative number.

    Pay Dave ten bucks for being helpful!


    Vote -1 Vote +1kindit Reply:

    @Dave, thank you dave for your response. Your two big site that went down do they have heavy links from bmr i see if there are more links from this network your site just remain stagnant for some time

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Heavy links from them and BMR, plus mass articles and press releases to name a few. But one site has had minimal links all year, what can you do? It happens regular to me for one site or another, I can cope I am a big boy now ๐Ÿ˜‰

  30. I got slapped…UP the serps. Abandoned blogs have been getting a ton more traffic, forcing me to not be lazy and add more content to them.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Yeah, the old stuff that has not been touched is doing fine, if not better, but let’s see in a few months.

  31. Anyone? Your two cents appreciated…

    I am totally new.
    Need to make $500-$600 asap (then build from there).
    Have no money for online expenses.
    Have lots of time to invest.
    Read about starting on Squidoo but also read it doesn’t work anymore.

    Any pointers on a good place to start?

    And what is the first tools or services I should get once I am earning $$$ ?

    Gratefully, Your Apprentice

    +1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It is gonna be tough with no money. You really want to at least buy some domains. But to begin just build out a few blogger.com blogs and take it from there.

    Once you have some cash then I would get BMR but for now I would join the Keyword Academy for a month, it is free for the month and use postrunner and follow their course.

    Squidoo does work though, I just did a backlinks philippines run of 120 links to 5 lenses last week and now I am at least getting a sale a day between them all. They are just being rather touchy at the moment. One day they rank lovely the next they are nowhere to be seen, but that is the nature of the game after all.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Apprentice Reply:


    Thank You.

  32. Iโ€™ll throw in my EUR 0.02 in addition to Daveโ€™s advice.

    Here are a couple of link building methods you can try if you are on a tight budget.

    High PR blog commenting

    Use free version of SEO SpyGlass and ideas below to find high pagerank (PR) blog posts to comment on.

    Tips on finding high pagerank blog comments (replace hxxp with http):

    More info:

    vBulletin Blog Custom Pages
    Free alternative to BMR and PostRunner. There is a forum platform vBulletin, and some of vBulletin forums have a feature called Blog Custom Pages. When you register a profile on such forum, you can make 5 Blog Custom Pages with links back to your webpage.

    Just google the footprint โ€œblog.php?cp=โ€ and you will find plenty of examples and forums to make blog pages on.

    Some tips:
    โ€“ Google is quite slow in finding these pages, so you have to make couple of high PR blog comments with links to each of these Blog Custom Pages
    – choose forums with high-ish PR
    – you can use spun articles. Spin them with free spinner software SpinnerChief


    Vote -1 Vote +1Apprentice Reply:


    Thank You.

  33. Don’t think this has been mentioned here yet – interesting post by Ed Dale on the same topic

    Vote -1 Vote +1Sparkle Reply:


    B.S. Burn that Ed Dale post! then Burn the Ships as fast as you can!

  34. Thanks JanisG – this looks good! Everyone seems to be talking about using Scrapebox to find high PR blogs manually but I don’t have that yet, so your method seems a good alternative for those on a budget.

  35. Dave,

    I just wondering if you could share what you do to get your backlinks indexed, I have written alot of web 2.0 stuff and articles but they seem either very slow or they never get indexed according to yahoo site explorer, little help?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Don’t trust Yahoo for a start, it will never show all the links. I don’t do anything to get my links indexed when they are what I would call low level.

    But if they are proper links then I will write a short build my rank to get them boosted. Or 30, or 100 ๐Ÿ˜‰

  36. For a Squidoo lens I have, I’ve noticed that my Google ranking has not changed, but I have disappeared from Bing. Anyone else notice this? A Blogger blog I have actually has been getting more Yahoo/Bing visits. Are the Micosoft folks also playing games recently? Someone accused Bing of taking results from Google. Do you think they are currently trying to prove otherwise?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Gotta be honest and say I don’t really track my serps in Bing. Maybe someone else has been tracking?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Ryan T Reply:


    I track bing and no they aren’t purposely being different. In fact, bing ranking are a lot more stable than google’s

    Vote -1 Vote +1Jack Mack Reply:

    @Ryan T, Thanks, I’m working from too small a sample to draw conclusions. I just thought the changes I’ve seen looked interesting.

    “Being paranoid, doesn’t mean they’re out to get you!” (anonymous?)

  37. Does anyone find that adding amzn aff. links to your page lowers its rankings?

    I’ve just started doing amzn and testing the waters by adding about 9 links into a 400 word post and i’m getting the odd feeling that it’s negatively affecting the page’s ranking.

    Just wanted to see if anyone’s got some insight on this.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Terry Reply:

    @chris, That sounds a lot of links for one post. I had something similar happen recently with my weight loss site taking a hit when I put 5 affiliate banners (all for the same product) on the home page. That site normally ranks around #4-6 for its main KW, but it also ranks #1 for the aff product review and a bunch of buying KWs. That ranking makes me a lot of money off that one site by the way.

    Within a few days, the site dropped off the front page for the main KW, but held its #1 ranking for all the product KWs that bring in the coin.

    What definitely didn’t help was my writing a post that promoted a different product that had another 3 aff links in-post about the same time.

    I’m guessing that because that post sat on the homepage for a while, it added to the overall links on there and my site dropped off the front page. I made a rapid change to the home page, reducing the main aff banners to 3 and writing a straight post with no affl links to take the other post off the homepage (I only display one post).

    Within a few days, I bounced back to #4 for my main KW (and the traffic came tumbling back).

    It’d seem its best to keep your home page as clean as possible. Same goes for post pages too, especially if they’re displaying other aff banners in the header or sidebar.

    Vote -1 Vote +1chris Reply:


    Hey Terri,

    Thanks for sharing your experience!
    Right now i’m nofollowing my aff. links but i’m not cloaking them in any way.
    I’m unsure as to whether or not i should cloak my links with the ninja affiliate plugin.

    I’m going to reduce the aff. links to 3 per post and see what happens.

    Thanks again!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Good reply from Terry so I don’t need to answer, but also make sure you nofollow the links too.

  38. guys if you need a virtual assistant, anyone here? am up for grabs. seriously i have been on several places like fiverr, my gig is just not pulling any interest.

    This is needed to fund my ongoing project and to pay for some personal expense am cheap as it gets.

  39. So, Dave!!I

    I have been reading all the comments and do you still recommend the backlinking game? It seems that the SERP is so fickle. Even with 1000 links, there is no guarantee that it is going to be on page 1…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I do, and the reality is that most will not rank without them. But internal linking is growing ever more important, I have been doing it from the start, but some peeps still don’t seem to realize how important it is.

    But, a fickle game it is, no doubt about that.

  40. Urg. Thank God it is now Friday. Ten new websites in a week is not conducive to a relaxed brain function. I now officially hate looking for new WordPress themes. Can’t there just be 1, it would make life easier.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JohnM Reply:

    What do you look for in a theme Dave? Are you using free themes or paying for them? Suggestions?

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Always free. I look for one that allows me to get rid of the comments, time, date etc with ease and simply fits the niche.

    Search by color depending on the color scheme of the brand website you are trying to outrank for products, um, enough said on that.

  41. Hi Dave, I see you said a couple of your sites have been slapped recently. Are you planning to leave these sites till they come back or will you continue to build backlinks to them? And when they come back will you carry on backlinking them or leave them to settle back in?

    Ten new sites in a week is a lot, let the ageing begin ๐Ÿ™‚

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Shaun L,

    I am just leaving them, too busy anyway. When they come back (if) then it will be back to business.

    With these new sites I have been following my Buddy Lando’s advice. i.e he taught me about buying high quality aged domains. All are either very old or high PR sites I bought. Man, I wish I had done it from the start. I have sites with a few posts on that are already ranking and it is like taking a years long shortcut.

    He is doing a course on it so stay tuned, I am never buying a new domain again. Aged sites with PR5 links from Huffington post etc for $5 and a PR4 site for less than $100……….beautiful. His will be the only ebook I ever promote. Apparently we get to see his ugly mug too, which I ain’t looking forward too!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Bruno Reply:


    I was about to ask if there was any resource you recommend on that, but I’m glad that something is already on its way.

    I’m looking forward for his e-book then … Let us know when he release it.

    I do like your idea of buying aged domains, but I’ve always thought that they would be way more expensive. But if you’re saying that you’ve bought 2 domains and both of them are under $100, then this is definitely something I can look into it …

    As you’ve mentioned before, I’m also looking into PPC. Like a website, I’m slowling getting myself acquainted with, but the sooner you start the better right:

    thanks again …

    ps: can`t assign one of your VAs to select and craete a page with “Comments`s Highlights” ?? ๐Ÿ˜‰ I`m not really fond of going through all comments, but every time I do, I learn quite a lot

    Vote -1 Vote +1Bruno Reply:


    just correcting:

    “ps: can`t YOU assign one of your VAs to select and craete a page with โ€œComments`s Highlightsโ€ ?? I`m not really fond of going through all comments, but every time I do, I learn quite a lot”

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Bruno, Get the comment feed and add it to Fever. It’ll sort them all by “popularity”. In this case, mostly by responses.

    Or just add the feed to your iPhone and you can read the feeds on the can instead of the newspaper when you’re on the can. Be wary of jumping with joy though!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    You can read a feed on a phone!!!

    You mean you can get the Internet on things other than computer type things?

    Wow ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Like I am not busy enough, suck it up and plough through them ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Aged domains are definitely the business. I got another PR4 yesterday for under $100 with a few nice links including a pr4 link from 2005 which won’t be going anywhere.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Shaun L Reply:


    Interesting, yer that book definitely sounds interesting… Like Bruno said let us know when it’s out. I’m sure it’d be stuff you could learn by digging around for a few hours yourself, but sometimes it’s nice to pay a one off fee and have all the info there and nicely packaged ๐Ÿ™‚

    I had one more question though, how many internal links do you usually do on each of your pages? I’ve been doing one for most of my pages, would you suggest doing more? Thanks for the help.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Shaun L,

    It will be a good guide, I am sure. And yeah, you could find out the info but having it all in one place is simply going to allow you to actually get down to business.

    For internal links I can do anything from 1 link a post to links to all other posts on the site if it is small. Or, like on proudback.com where each topic is totally interlinked, which is as it should be. That site gets crawled really well because of the interlinking.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, Got a quick tip here for folks going this route. Make all the existing posts on the blog featured posts and then at the bottom, add code to show 3-4 excerpts of your own latest posts.

    Have had issues in the past where a site that was linked to from the New Yorker had its links removed because they thought the site had been abandoned or sold to a spammer or had become a catalogue of ********* tools.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I am talking about buying aged domains that are expiring, not sites than are still up and running and active. So that won’t really apply. Although content could be re-instated via the wayback machine.

    But good tip for if you buy active sites, but try getting a high PR active site for a hundred bucks.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Wishal Reply:

    @Dave, That just made Lando’s upcoming book a lot more interesting.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    My mug won’t be on display but you’ll be hearing my seductive voice…

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,


  42. I’m a member over at TKA and found your site on someones forum post. Being going through heaps of your posts Dave and thanks for your info… it’s gold!

    This post is a gem! You’ve got me thinking, i’ve always thought about taking the plunge and going full time and I think this has give me the motivation to get going! Thanks a million!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Glad you are enjoying the site, just my humble opinions.

    Giving up the day job is a real motivator, or at least planning to do it. That way you work harder to get where you want to be. Good luck Davo.

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