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Dalai Lama
Jan 052011

Just had a ciggie break and was browsing though a popular network of user owned blogs where we can join and post articles to them. I followed some links to the main sites that people own and:


A lot of people are in for a rude awakening very soon. If I am searching for clothes for my pets or I am searching for some form of supplement then if all I see are adsense links on a site then I would be annoyed. If you get an inspection from an Adsense employee and you have a site that is product based and you do not give your visitors the option to buy the product then what conclusion do you think they will come too?

MFA all the way baby. It is just a matter of time.

Put some bloody links to the products in the side bars. You may lose some clicks but then again you may make some bloody sales for the things your poor visitor actually came to your site to buy. You may only be making a few dollars a day now but what about in a years time when you hit that $100 a day mark and you get a manual inspection. And then you lose it all.

Don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Time to clean up the act and stop kidding yourself that you are providing wanted information. If I search for baby boots I don’t want a discourse on the fact that I can buy them in different sizes and colors. I would rather like to buy some or compare what they look like.

Weird that, huh?

 Posted by at 3:48 pm

  59 Responses to “Admit It Your Sites Are SHIT”

  1. Feeling a bit calmer now Dave?

    Well, this is odd, but yeah. I just had a funny few minutes.

    Each to there own and I have certainly been there and done that. But it is all about protecting yourself in the future. The day will surely come when you get the G knock at the door and you don’t want to be wetting your pants when it happens.

    Quality content means fulfilling peoples expectations based on the keywords you use to attract your visitor.

  2. I’ve been thinking about that a lot too. With a site in Postrunner now, I see all sorts of links coming through and most of the sites are not very good.

    It makes me take a look at my own sites and think about what I can do better. I have product reviews and links to Amazon, some big comparison posts, and informational posts. I’d like to add in price comparisons, but I don’t know what an easy way to do that would be. There has to be some sort of program that pulls the information in automatically – I hate to say one place has the lowest price if it’s going to change next week. Maybe one of the super smart programmers can help us out…

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I had a few sites in Postrunner but pulled them because of time issues. The mad thing is that for every article I accepted I would put a clickable image to Amazon in it and an affiliate link to. I sold loads of products even though people were after links for adsense sites.

    It sounds like you have the right approach Steph, and usually if Amazon has it they have the best prices too.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:


    Google Products / Shopping is great for that. But there is already a feature on Amazon where they inquire if you have seen the price lower elsewhere for the shopper. They’re #1 for a reason in ecommerce..

    Dave –

    Smart idea…I was using UAW for the same thing. So, did you wind up backlinking these auto-generated posts or just letting the sales come if they would?

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I backlinked a few but then stopped because of time issues. I am tempted to go back to it once I have a minute though. It actually made a bit of cash.

  3. You’ve got a very good point! I’m so glad I moved away from these crappy sites now. I am lucky that G just warned me about it and didn’t deactivate my whole account. Funnily enough, I took Adsense off all those crappy sites, changed them around and added Amazon links which made me a couple of hundred for Christmas 😀

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Ruth – Web Career Girl,

    Good stuff. I really got frustrated looking through those sites. People writing about products with buying keywords and not offering it for sale are running a real risk.

    Not that I am the Interent Police or anything.

  4. Not to be a sycophant – but I couldn’t have agreed more. This is why I wrote “Screw Soylent Green: Marketing is PEOPLE!” a while back, or “SEO Whoop Ass” – the same sentiment.

    Stop telling people to do a better job – it makes competing a ton easier. 🙂

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Sorry James, I will be good 😉

  5. I’m an idiot – “Screw Soylent Green, Marketing is People” is about an entirely different subject…the other post that reminded me of your rant here was “Quit Blaming Google For Your Sucky Website”…(Just didn’t want anyone to read that post and think I was out of my mind.)

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Carrie Reply:



    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:



    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Getting worse, isn’t he? It’s the lack of sleep.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I kinda do now. Get some sleep!

  6. The 1 minute version of your post:

    Adsense for informational / research-base sites. Examples would be law, finance, medical type information. Not coincidentally, the CPCs are higher on these types of sites/keywords anyway.

    Affiliate links for product based sites. Examples include “women’s belts”, “white socks”, “oil filters”.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:



  7. Dave,

    While I agree with you make your content answer the questions the search user is looking for, and quality, but I don’t agree with that you have to have products on a product site.

    All the people paying for ads to display on Adsense for the most part are selling products, they need product related traffic to make money and continue advertising with Google. Certain exceptions obviously.

    The issue comes into play when you have adsense on a page about “cheap black socks” and then the page reads like this.

    Cheap black socks are good, you can get them all over. Without cheap black socks you might need to buy expensive black socks, which will cost you more.

    My prediction is Amazon sites are going to take a major hit, especially ones with weak content or lightly rewritten Amazon content. All the standard marketing forums people are raving about Amazon, you are talking about Amazon, a million and one products by the marketing crowd are putting out Amazon stuff.

    When people get in a frenzy over a style of site building or a monetization method(and take short cuts with it) it is time to look in a different direction.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I think in the future a lot of weak site will take a hit, but I mainly mean small sites. But it is all conjecture. A lot of aff companies don’t care about the quality of your content, just that you send them traffic that converts. Same with adwords users.

    The problem is when it doesn’t convert well. And product sites that almost force people to click adsense links may not convert too well. But who knows, I just call it how I see it.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Deek Reply:


    Some good points Dave. Either way Adsense, Affiliate etc.. I think we both agree things are trending toward quality.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It doesn’t have to be a work of art but for me it should at least fulfill the visitors expectations. But I contradict myself as usual as I spend all my time making backlinks, which are definitely not a work of art.

    Oh, the wicked web we weave.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Jeremy Reply:


    The only reason for a pure amazon affiliate’s existence is if the product purchase requires research and additional information. For example, white socks probably doesn’t need much research. Where can I buy them and how much do they cost. If all you are doing is clogging up the SERPs and making visitors do an extra click to get to Amazon, eventually Google will eliminate you.

    On the other hand, you might have a lot to say about, for example, the best water filter for hiking. You can talk about durability, what water sources it works on, size, weight, what happens when I drop my ceramic filter on the ground while hiking, etc. So there’s something for an affiliate to say that adds value to the marketplace other than fifty synonyms for “white socks” which only serve to spam and fool Google.

    In the end, providing value will make you money. Don’t envy the people who are able to skim cash without adding value. Add value and make sure you understand the market enough and are technologically capable enough to collect the income commensurate with your value add.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Deek Reply:


    Thanks Jeremy. I think that is what I was saying 😉

  8. To be a devil’s advocate- you will almost always find the product you are looking for if you follow the adsense links.

    But seriously, the MFA thing really needs to end…

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Tracey Reply:

    @Josh, LOL This made me laugh Josh because you are so right!


    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I know, and that is how to make the best money. But if you get a manual then it is game over. Depends how long term you want it to be I guess.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:


    I was talking about your experience as the searcher.

    I have 27 sites like you describe that I made early in my career and combined with hundreds of hubpages and infobarrels they barely hit payout every month. I don’t even particularly think it is a good strategy period. Not to say there aren’t people making money at it.

  9. Quality content vs. Crap sites…

    With the amount of crap that gets onto page 1 of Google it seems pretty clear that they don’t know the difference.

    I’m just having a bad day coz Google has relegated one of my super sites down to page 10 purgatory.

    Vote -1 Vote +1JamestheJust Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    Ouch, sorry to hear that, Lando. You can still sell despite that – I’ve been making sales from page 5 from a handful of articles sent to Ezine and ArticlesBase. The CTR on those articles (there are only 2 articles that I cross-posted) is 38% according to EzineArticles.

    Just food for thought – if Google hates your site for some reason, go around them leveraging other Web 2.0 stuff. Forums that are related, article directories, Hubs and Squidoo lenses, all that fun stuff.

    It sounds like old hat, but it works. (You get MORE traffic from Google, but you can still make sales is all I’m sayin’.)

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Josh Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    That sounds more like the sandbox than anything else- in which case you will likely be back in a few weeks.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    You be back Dude. I don’t think the quality of the written content has anything to do with it though. I think it is about abiding by the terms of the promotion techniques you use.

    Bad things can happen so why not try your best to avoid them?

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    I’m confused. As Borat might say, “What does mean?” (in that voice)

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,


    I am confused now. I mean that I don’t think the quality of the written content is why sites get slapped. I think it is because people don’t stick to the terms of the agreement they made when joining programs. i.e adsense is no made for adsense sites.

    Just as Amazon is no making sites about certain things 😉

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Lando @ Docking Bay 94 Reply:


    That’s what I thought you were getting at…

    You’re scaring me when you say things like:

    Bad things can happen so why not try your best to avoid them?

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Lando @ Docking Bay 94,

    Anything can happen in this game, as we well know Lando. Personally I am making what I can while I can so I can eat if anything goes pear shaped.

    Oh, and I want to buy a house in the UK now. I miss the Cinema and getting take aways. No bloody service up my Spanish mountain! Unbelievable.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1teatree Reply:

    @Dave, Well house prices are falling in the UK at the moment (always do when the Tories are in power LOL). You might wish to watch and wait as they should fall much further as the cuts bite.

    -1 Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Good job too, I am probably short a few hundred thousand anyway 😉

    We were very lucky when we moved out here, prices were at an all time high 6 years ago and dropped a few months after we left. Weird how it all changes. I will keep my fingers crossed for the next year or two. Probably 2, if I am being optimistic. Could be 5!

  10. Hi Dave!,

    I was wondering that when you add amazon affiliate ads to your site it takes a long time to load >:( in comparison with the adsense. So I have a site which has about 170 + (all 450 words + “original” – well let’s say inspired 😉 ) posts and trying to add each product link from amazon is not going to be easy.

    So my question, do you know anyway to speedup these amazon ads?


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    I do it all manually as I want to avoid any plugins. To be honest it takes a couple a minutes per post. If you think you will make money then settle in for half a day and get to it.

    You should be able to do most of your 170 posts in half a day to a day and then it is there forever. Worth it in the long run.

    Vote -1 Vote +1sameera Reply:


    Thank You, well I’ll start right now 😀 lol.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Go get ’em.

  11. I thought we had to watch our language on your site?! Double standards..sheesh.

    P.S. Got my first cheque from the big A yesterday ; )

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:



    Congrats, soon it will be weekly earnings.

  12. Hi Dave,
    Overall make big sites. I will add 20 adsense and 20 amazon.

    I was doing some hub pages keyword research and i found out one website. I was just curious. It was exact match domain. So, i opened and saw two adsense block single page and lot of amazon links. No content. This guy have thousands of these websites. No major backlink work on most of the sites. I understand lot of small site kicked out from serp in last one year but how these guys running tons of sites like this. If i target those another set of hundred hubs they will straight on the top 3 pages without backlinks. Possibly they have many adsense pub. so, they are running on risk but i find loads of keywords to target.

    I just need new website like hubpages. So, that i can target tons of articles from scratch. no squidoo,hubpages/xomba/etc

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    It may just be a matter of time for them, who knows, but why take the risk.

    You can always make your own site to target all those terms Rahul, it will take a while but you can still rank them.

  13. Hi Dave,

    It’s me again (yikes 🙂 ). Anyway I had this question for a long time and couldn’t find a suitable answer for it and after reading you posts and the way you build links and seeing your SUCCESSES (congratulations btw lol, I have a lots of respect for your courage) with them though you might give a better answer. So here it goes.

    *. I have this one site and for it I’ve built 120 + links from manual article submissions for article directories. So will it be okay if I start submitting articles to all these 120 + sites all over again which at the end will make a total of 240-250 backlinks to my site.

    In your experience getting 2 or even more from just a one site (let’s say ezinearticles.com) for your Site, is it beneficial?. I ask this question because I’m already familiar with these sites and do the link building more quicker rather than trying to find new ones, register (errrrr….) . So can you answer this question ?.

    Thank you.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Firstly, are you with the Keyword Academy (on the sidebar)? If not then I would take advantage of the month trial for a buck. There are hundreds of sites there that you can submit to and put links in the content. You will get better links that way than with directories.

    Sites that require an author box are worth less and less as far as links are concerned. I have tested it and they don’t give that much return to be honest. I would go to Fiverr instead. For five bucks someone will spin and submit an article to over 400 article sites for you, including Ezine. Think about the time that saves.

    But, to answer your question. A few links from the same sites will always help. People say that the juice is diminished but I don’t believe it at all. At least for a handful anyway.

    For Christmas 2009 I ranked high on page 1 for a very competitive term that made me $8K. In my noobness all I did was submit one article, not spun or even with a different title every day to 6 article directories. I would write 1 article a day and submit it to them all.

    And I ranked. Man, I have come on a bit from them but it is all a learning curve.

    Go get em Tiger.

    Let me know what you think about Postrunner on TKA if you use it, it really is the best way to spend $40 a month, or just use and abuse it for the dollar trial.

  14. @Dave,

    Hi Dave,

    Man you are quick 😀 do you ever sleep ?? (just kidding… but seriously do you 😉 ). And thank you for the quick reply.

    And um, I’m guilty as hell 😉 …. joined the TKA about 2 months ago and wrote some articles for the 30 day period too. So I have like “relevant” 50-60 from the TKA sites as well.

    But will most definitely have a look at the “Fiverr” thanks for sharing. And I do have a link from your article site as well (thank you 😀 no spun content used… honestly :D).

    So will take your advice and thank you for the encouragement. But seriously get some sleep! lol.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Hey Dude I am in Spain, it is 4:50 PM here so no worries about the sleep thing. I am signing off now as it is the end of a working week for me. We are now both very good about work and always finish at 5PM. Cava time!!! Weekends only now though (sad face).

    Good luck with the linking, hunt around on Fiverr, there are some good deals, and bad ones of course.

    Hasta pronto.

  15. Hey, loving the site.

    Quick Amazon question…you’re in Spain right. I’m in France.

    How do you get your dollar cheques transferred cheaply and easily into Euros. Just got my first Amazon cheque recently and forgot that it was going to arrive in dollars!



    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Jamie Sandford,

    We just pay it in when it arrives. I think we have a 7 euro fee minimum so I would set the limit high for the minimum amount before you get the check.

    Glad you like the site Jamie.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Jamie Sandford Reply:

    @Dave, Cheers Dave, good advice. Although sounds like Spanish banks are a lot better than French ones. Went to my local bank and they want 35 euros to cash a dollar cheque!

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:

    @Jamie Sandford,

    What a rip off, that is a bit steep.

  16. Dave,

    A question regarding TKA. I checked out the info page and there was hardly anything about Postrunner. I’m really not interested in the rest of what they do. I know it’s only a dollar for the first month but is it worth the monthly cost after that just for Postrunner? I signed up for Build My Rank but they still aren’t taking new members. Thanks in advance.


    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    More than worth it. Best money I ever spent for any tools apart from BMR. No more searching around for where to get backlinks, it honestly is a dream for anyone who still believes that backlinks are the most important factor.

    Vote -1 Vote +1Billy Reply:

    @Dave, Ahhh…do YOU still think backlinks are the most important factor?!

    Just curious. Seem to have my own thing working reasonably well now, so not hanging off your every tactic : )

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    Regardless of how you get them, make your own, get them through being social etc then I do think they are the ranking factor.

    But of course referral traffic can earn you an amazing living so it just depends on your approach. If you were the top Dog on a forum then you would get a ton of links through your sig. Just depends how you want to play the game.

    I am happy with search engine traffic, it suits my personality.

  17. My name is Peewee, and my sites are shit.

    I guess that is step one just like those 12 step recovery programs! That felt really weird to put out there. Seriously, I stared at the keyboard for five minutes before I could write that.

    Dave, I have read every square inch of your blog in the last two weeks. Can’t say thanks enough for the effort. It’s huge. Up until this point I have been really hesitant to comment on anything for fear of sounding like an idiot or a hero worshiper.

    Because of my reading here, I realize that I have spent upwards of $3000 US on IM crap for one simple reason. I didn’t want to work. Which is very strange because I am a 25 year carpenter/contractor….I bust my ass in my off line business. I wanted this to be easy. But now I have a bit of clarity of mind knowing it just takes work. Hell, I think I can do that.

    I am thinking I will start with a lens or hub and work it according to the “30 day to $1000 plan”.

    Thanks for sharing.

    P.S. I am heading over to Paypal now to drop some change in the bucket. Maybe buy some nice “00” Italian flour for the pizza crusts…….

    Vote -1 Vote +1Dave Reply:


    lol 😉

    The first step to recovery is admitting that there is a problem.

    I know what you mean about not admitting the truth about your sites, the reality is that none of us make many real quality sites, but they should all at least fulfill the desires of the searcher to some extent.

    A carpenter needing extra money? That’s like saying there are poor plumbers 😉

    If you do only learn one thing from this site then hard work should be it Peewee, the rest is just filler. And it seems that you get that so you are well on your way.

    And never be afraid to ask anything or discuss anything. There are no daft questions if you don’t know the answer to them.

    Thanks for the tip Dude, it is much appreciated, and yours has been one of the biggest, everyone else is really tight, even with all the KICK ASS info I give for free!

    Let me know how you get on, sounds like you are on the road to greatness. And what the hell did you spend 3 grand on?

    A subscription to the keyword academy to use Postrunner and maybe BMR is all you need to spend money on, and that is just to make backlinking quicker.

    Wanna buy an e-book?

    No? Good job as I don’t have one.

  18. Oh God, stop. I think I just literally laughed my ass my ass off. Yup, there it is on the floor. Great now I have to fix that.

    I am on the waiting list for BMR and am signing up today for KWA. I won’t hesitate to ask stupid questions…(boy are you gonna regret that comment).

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